[1v1] Dragonite

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Overview


An amazing ability in Multiscale allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance or fire off powerful attacks relatively safely. Dragonite's high Attack stat allows it to hit extremely hard with a boosted Devastating Drake or Choice Band Outrage alongside a good movepool that features powerful STAB moves such as Outrage, great coverage moves such as Earthquake and Fire Punch, and a useful priority move in Extreme Speed. Dragonite also sports a good Dragon / Flying typing, which lets it resist common types such as Water and Fire while also being a great offensive typing that is useful against Pokemon such as Mega Charizard X and Mega Charizard Y. However, Dragonite has a relatively low base 80 Speed stat that leaves it outsped by threats such as Mega Charizard X and Mimikyu. Dragonite's reliance on Multiscale also leaves it vulnerable to Mold Breaker and Teravolt users, namely Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B. Lastly, Dragonite sports a 4x weakness to Ice, leaving it weak to Pokemon that carry Ice-type moves such as Greninja that can OHKO it even with Multiscale intact.

Dragon Dance

Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed / Fire Punch

Set Comments

Moves


Dragon Dance is Dragonite's setup move, boosting both its Attack and Speed. Outrage is a powerful STAB move that is boosted to an incredible 190 Base Power with a Dragonium Z, OHKOing nearly everything at +1. Earthquake is a good coverage move that hits Steel- and Electric-type Pokemon such as Jirachi and Tapu Koko. Extreme Speed is useful for picking off weakened Sturdy users such as Donphan and Crustle. Fire Punch allows Dragonite to beat Pokemon such as Kartana, Genesect, and Celesteela, which Dragonite would otherwise struggle against.

Set Details

Maximum Attack and Speed investment lets Dragonite hit as hard as possible while letting it outspeed as many threats as possible after a Dragon Dance. An Adamant nature further increases Dragonite's Attack, allowing it to hit even harder. Dragonium Z turns Outrage into an extremely powerful 190-Base Power Devastating Drake that deals massive damage to nearly every Pokemon. Multiscale allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance easily, as it can survive most attacks with it.

Usage Tips


It is best to send in Dragonite against slower and weaker Pokemon, allowing it to easily set up Dragon Dance. You can also use Dragonite to scare off potential threats such as Mega Charizard Y, opening the way for teammates like Magearna; however, avoid sending in Dragonite against threats like Kyurem-B, Mega Gyarados, and Crustle. In most scenarios, it is best to first use Dragon Dance and then use Devastating Drake, unless Dragonite is up against a Pokemon that resists Dragon, in which Dragonite should use one of its coverage moves. However, in some cases, don't always use Dragon Dance on the first turn; Devastating Drake can be used against Sturdy Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan followed by Extreme Speed to finish them off. It can also be used without Dragon Dance if it OHKOes the foe without the Attack boost. Try to play around common Counter Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan, which can always survive a hit with Sturdy and retaliate hard. However, this can be tricky, as Crustle has a chance to KO Dragonite with Continental Crush even with Multiscale, and Donphan can execute a combination of Continental Crush + Ice Shard.

Team Options


As a physical setup Pokemon, Dragonite is able to defeat some specially bulky Pokemon like Meloetta, which special attackers appreciate. In particular, fast, frailer Pokemon like Tapu Koko and Greninja enjoy Dragonite scaring off the special tanks that would otherwise wall them. Tapu Koko and Greninja are also great for dealing with physical walls like Deoxys-D and Slowbro, which Dragonite appreciates. Other special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y and Porygon-Z are also useful for breaking physical walls. Mega Mawile is able to deal with both Kyurem-B and Mega Gyarados, which are two of Dragonite's biggest counters. Lastly, as Dragonite is, at best, a shaky check to Sturdy users, answers to them like Mega Gyarados and Mega Slowbro are useful.

Choice Band
Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head

Moves

Outrage is Dragonite's hardest-hitting move thanks to its high Base Power and STAB boost and is the move Dragonite will be using the most. Earthquake is a good coverage option that hits Steel- and Electric-types like Magearna and Tapu Koko. Fire Punch is useful for Steel-types that Earthquake doesn't hit super effectively, like Celesteela, Ferrothorn, Durant, and Genesect. Iron Head hits Fairy-types like Tapu Lele, which are immune to Outrage.

Set Details


96 Speed EVs allow Dragonite to outspeed maximum Speed Modest Magnezone. Maximum Attack EVs along with an Adamant nature give Dragonite as much offensive power as it can get, and the rest of the EVs are put into HP to give Dragonite good mixed bulk. A Choice Band gives a 50% boost to Dragonite's Attack stat, making all of its moves hit much harder. Multiscale allows Dragonite to tank even super effective hits and retaliate hard, which is helpful because it is outsped by many common threats.

Usage Tips


Choice Band Dragonite is useful for getting damage without setting up first, which is useful against Pokemon like Choice Scarf Tapu Lele and Magearna. Send it in when you expect your opponent to use a Pokemon that cannot OHKO Dragonite, like Mega Charizard Y or Porygon-Z. Against most foes, use Outrage to OHKO or 2HKO them. Against Pokemon that resist or are immune to Dragon-type moves, such as Tapu Lele and Tapu Koko, use Dragonite's coverage options such as Iron Head and Earthquake to OHKO them. This set is very susceptible to Counter users, but the weakness can be played around by bluffing a Dragon Dance set, so use that to your advantage. Using a Choice Band set also allows Dragonite to run additional coverage moves instead of Dragon Dance, enabling it to deal with a wider variety of threats.

Team Options

Dragonite's ability to break special walls like Chansey and Mega Venusaur is greatly appreciated by Pokemon such as Porygon-Z and Tapu Koko. In return, special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y can deal with physical walls like Mega Slowbro. Sturdy + Counter users like Donphan are generally troubling for Dragonite to face, which makes answers like Mega Gyarados valuable. Mega Gyarados also scares off other Sturdy users like Crustle, which Dragonite also dislikes facing. Similarly, Counter + Mirror Coat users like Deoxys-D and Mega Blastoise are also difficult for Dragonite to beat; as such, checks like Tapu Koko are appreciated. Proper checks to Mega Mawile and Magearna, such as Donphan, are also useful. Fairy-types such as Magearna and Mega Mawile can deal with opposing Dragon-types like Kyurem-B while also dealing with Mega Gyarados.

Strategy Comments

Other Options


Weakness Policy is an option that doubles both Dragonite's Attack and Special Attack after taking a super effective attack, allowing Dragonite to OHKO nearly everything. Super effective attacks Dragonite can notably survive are Choice Scarf Porygon-Z's Ice Beam, Air Balloon Magearna's Fleur Cannon, and Mega Metagross's Ice Punch, allowing Dragonite to beat threats its other sets can't; however, this set is best used as a surprise, as it is situational and generally weaker than the sets listed. A special set with Dragonium Z + Draco Meteor can be used to catch opponents off guard, as they may expect a physical set and bring in their physical walls to deal with Dragonite. A Choice Specs set is useful for the same reason, but in general, the surprise factor is not worth sacrificing the usefulness of Dragon Dance and Dragonite's much higher Attack stat.

Checks and Counters


Kyurem-B: Kyurem-B easily counters all Dragonite sets; it outspeeds Dragonite and can KO it through Multiscale with Teravolt and Outrage or Ice Beam. Most Kyurem-B sets can defeat Dragonite, ranging from Choice Scarf to Haban Berry; the only way Kyurem-B can lose if it is a bulky Icium Z set.

Fairy-types:
Fairy-types are immune to Dragonite's hardest-hitting move, and most are bulky enough to take its boosted coverage moves before KOing it. Magearna's Choice Specs Fleur Cannon has a chance to OHKO almost all of the time, even with HP investment and Multiscale intact. Mega Mawile's Intimidate lowers Dragonite's Attack, and it can deal massive damage with Play Rough. Mimikyu, Tapu Fini, and Primarina also do well against Dragonite due to them being able to survive a hit or two and deal massive damage in return.

Mega Gyarados: Mega Gyarados's Intimidate drops Dragonite's Attack, with Dragonite only having a slim chance to KO 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Gyarados with Devastating Drake after Dragon Dance. Mega Gyarados can use Dragon Dance on it while surviving any of its attacks with ease and proceed to KO it with Mold Breaker Outrage, bypassing Multiscale.

Pokemon That Can OHKO Through Multiscale: Some Pokemon such as Crustle and Greninja are capable of KOing Dragonite with their super effective STAB moves even through Multiscale. Crustle has a chance to KO it with Continental Crush, while Greninja always OHKOes with Ice Beam. Choice Band Garchomp also has a chance to OHKO Dragonite with Outrage while outspeeding it, and Magearna can take an unboosted Earthquake and OHKO Dragonite with Choice Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon.

Physical Walls: Physical walls like Mega Slowbro and Deoxys-D can raise their Defense by two stages, beating out Dragonite's Dragon Dance. They also take an unboosted Devastating Drake with ease, walling Dragonite after that. Similarly, Pokemon that utilize Will-O-Wisp and Charm, such as Mega Charizard X and Mega Venusaur, heavily reduce Dragonite's damage output and make it easy to KO.
 
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Dragonite

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Overview
  • An amazing ability in Multiscale halves the damage of the first hit Dragonite takes that isn’t from Mold Breaker or Teravolt, allowing it to set up Dragon Dances or fire off powerful attacks with relative safety.
  • High Attack stat allows Dragonite to hit extremely hard with a boosted Devastating Drake or Choice Band Outrage.
  • A good movepool featuring powerful STAB moves like Outrage and good coverage moves such as Earthquake. Extreme Speed is a really good move, its not a coverage option but its one of the things which make Dragonite good (along with Multiscale and high Atk) so I think it should be mentioned here
  • Good Dragon / Flying typing lets Dragonite resist common types such as Water and Fire while also being a good offensive typing, useful against Pokemon such as Mega Charizard X and Y.
  • Relatively low base 80 Speed stat means that Dragonite doesn't outspeed threats such as Tapu Koko even after at +1.
  • Reliance on Multiscale to set up leaves it very vulnerable to Mold Breaker and Teravolt users, most notably Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B.
  • - Mention its 4x Ice weakness and common threats like Greninja, Kyurem-B which may carry Ice-type coverage

Dragon Dance
Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed / Fire Punch

Set Comments

Moves

  • Dragon Dance is Dragonite's set up move, boosting both its Attack and Speed.
  • Outrage is a powerful STAB move that is boosted to an incredible 190 Base Power with a Dragonium Z, OHKOing nearly everything after a Dragon Dance.
  • Earthquake is a good coverage move that can deal with Steel-type Pokemon such as Magearna as well as Electric-type Pokemon such as Tapu Koko.
  • Extreme Speed is useful for picking off weakened Sturdy users such as Donphan and Crustle.
  • Fire Punch allows Dragonite to beat Pokemon such as Kartana, Genesect, and Celesteela, which Dragonite would otherwise struggle against.

Set Details
  • Maximum Attack and Speed investment lets Dragonite hit as hard as possible while letting it outspeed as many threats as possible after a Dragon Dance.
  • An Adamant nature can be used to maximize Dragonite’s Attack, allowing it to hit even harder.
  • Alternatively, a Jolly nature allows Dragonite to outspeed Pokemon such as Tapu Koko and Choice Scarf Porygon-Z after a Dragon Dance. Choice Scarf Porygon-Z mostly goes Timid instead of Modest so it can outspeed Dragonite with Choice Scarf but Scarf Porygon-Z even with Ice Beam can't OHKO Dragonite thanks to multiscale and Dragonite can OHKO Scarf Porygon-Z with Dragonium Z-Outrage so no need to Dragon Dance against that or you might end up losing its better to use Z-Outrage against it

So Scarf Porygon-Z outspeeds it after Ddance unless you meant the bulky (240 Def) Porygon-Z set
  • Dragonium Z as the item turns Outrage into an extremely powerful 190 Base Power Devastating Drake, which deals massive damage to nearly every Pokemon.
  • Multiscale allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance easily, as it can survive most attacks.

Usage Tips
  • Send in Dragonite against slower Pokemon and Pokemon that can't damage Dragonite very much, like Chansey, allowing it to easily set up Dragon Dance.
  • Use Dragonite to scare off potential threats such as Charizard, opening the way for teammates like Magearna.
  • In most scenarios, Dragon Dance first turn and then use Devastating Drake on the following turn, unless Dragonite is up against a Pokemon that resists it, in which Dragonite should use one of its coverage moves to KO.
  • Don't always Dragon Dance first turn; Devastating Drake can be used first against Sturdy Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan followed by Extreme Speed to finish them off. It can also be used without Dragon Dance if it OHKOes the foe without the Attack boost. This line doesn't match up well with the above one, rephrase it something like: "Use Devastating Drake against Sturdy Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan on the first turn instead of using Dragon Dance" or something better than that
  • Try to play around common Counter Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan, which can always survive a hit with Sturdy and retaliate hard. However, this can be tricky, as Crustle has a chance to KO Dragonite with Continental Crush even with Multiscale and Donphan can execute a combination of Continental Crush + Ice Shard.
Team Options
  • As a setup Pokemon, Dragonite is able to break many walls such as Mega Venusaur and Chansey, which many Pokemon appreciate.
  • In particular, fast, frailer Pokemon like Tapu Koko and Greninja enjoy Dragonite scaring off special tanks which would otherwise wall them.
  • In addition, Tapu Koko and Greninja are great for dealing with physical walls like Deoxys-D and Slowbro, which Dragonite appreciates.
  • Other special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y and Porygon-Z are also useful for breaking physical walls.
  • Mega Mawile is able to deal with both Kyurem-B and Mega Gyarados, which are two of Dragonite's biggest counters.
  • As Dragonite is, at best, a shaky check to Sturdy users, answers to them like Mega Gyarados and Mega Slowbro are useful.
Strategy Comments

Other Options

  • A Choice Band allows for more immediate damage, allowing Dragonite to 2HKO Deoxys-D with Outrage, OHKO Mega Mawile with Outrage, and gives Dragonite a chance to beat Magearna by OHKOing it with Outrage before it can move. However, it doesn't allow Dragonite to switch up its attacks, making it unable to beat Sturdy users along with other Pokemon it needs Extreme Speed to finish off. Choice Band Dragonite can't OHKO Mega Mawile and Magearna with Outrage, I think you mean Earthquake in place of Outrage there. It can OHKO Magearna with it but not Mega Mawile due to Intimidate and Mega Mawile can OHKO Dragonite with Play Rough even through Multiscale.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 204-240 (67.3 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Even non invested Mega Mawile (which is not that common) can survive an Earthquake
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 204-240 (84.2 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Checks and Counters


Kyurem-Black: Kyurem-Black easily counters all Dragonite sets; it outspeeds Dragonite and can KO it through Multiscale with Teravolt and Outrage or Ice Beam. Most Kyurem-Black sets can defeat Dragonite, ranging from Choice Scarf to Haban Berry.

Mega Gyarados: Mega Gyarados's Intimidate drops Dragonite's Attack, with Dragonite only having a slim chance to KO standard Mega Gyarados with Devastating Drake after Dragon Dance. Mega Gyarados can use Dragon Dance on it while surviving any of its attacks with ease, and proceed to KO it with Mold Breaker Outrage, bypassing Multiscale.

Pokemon that can KO through Multiscale: Some Pokemon such as Crustle and Greninja are capable of KOing Dragonite with their super effective STAB moves even through Multiscale. Crustle has a chance to KO it with Continental Crush, while Greninja always OHKOes with Ice Beam. Choice Band Garchomp also has a chance to OHKO Dragonite with Outrage while outspeeding it, and Magearna can take an unboosted Earthquake and OHKO Dragonite with Choice Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon. Mega Blastoise can break Multiscale with Fake Out and can take a banded Outrage and then KO with Dragon Pulse (or Counter) so probably worth listing it as a check

Physical Walls: Physical walls like Mega Slowbro and Deoxys-D can raise their Defense by two stages, beating out Dragonite's Dragon Dance. They also take unboosted Devastating Drake with ease, walling Dragonite after that.
This looks good and has complete info about most parts, just requires a few changes
Also, this is a pretty cool surprise set http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/creative-and-underrated-sets.3592203/page-2#post-7255497 it could be mentioned in Other Options or probably it's own section as a set which can defeat physically defensive Pokemon
 
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lotiasite

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This looks good and has complete info about most parts, just requires a few changes
Also, this is a pretty cool surprise set http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/creative-and-underrated-sets.3592203/page-2#post-7255497 it could be mentioned in Other Options or probably it's own section as a set which can defeat physically defensive Pokemon
Hey, thanks for the check, implemented most things :)

About the whole OHKOing Magearna + Mawile with Outrage, that was supposed to be Earthquake, mind blank on that part. Also I accidentally did the calc for Mawile without Intimidate, so that was my bad. Also, because of that, I added Mega Mawile as a counter in c&c. again, ty :)
 

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Dragonite

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Overview
  • An amazing ability in Multiscale halves the damage of the first hit Dragonite takes that isn’t from Mold Breaker or Teravolt, allowing it to set up Dragon Dances or fire off powerful attacks with relative safety.
  • High Attack stat allows Dragonite to hit extremely hard with a boosted Devastating Drake or Choice Band Outrage.
  • Dragonite also has a good movepool featuring powerful STAB moves like Outrage, good coverage moves like Earthquake, and a useful priority move in Extreme Speed.
  • Good Dragon / Flying typing lets Dragonite resist common types such as Water and Fire while also being a good offensive typing, useful against Pokemon such as Mega Charizard X and Y.
  • Relatively low base 80 Speed stat means that Dragonite doesn't outspeed threats such as Tapu Koko even after at +1.
  • Reliance on Multiscale to set up leaves it very vulnerable to Mold Breaker and Teravolt users, most notably Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B.
  • Dragonite also sports a 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, leaving it weak to Pokemon that carry Ice-type moves such as Greninja that can OHKO it even with Multiscale intact.

Dragon Dance
Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed / Fire Punch

Set Comments

Moves

  • Dragon Dance is Dragonite's setup move, boosting both its Attack and Speed.
  • Outrage is a powerful STAB move that is boosted to an incredible 190 Base Power with a Dragonium Z, OHKOing nearly everything after a Dragon Dance.
  • Earthquake is a good coverage move that can deal with Steel-type Pokemon such as Mega Metagross as well as Electric-type Pokemon such as Tapu Koko. I don't believe Dragonite can beat Mega Metagross. Meteor Mash 2HKOs while EQ only doesn't OHKO at +1.
  • Extreme Speed is useful for picking off weakened Sturdy users such as Donphan and Crustle.
  • Fire Punch allows Dragonite to beat Pokemon such as Kartana, Genesect, and Celesteela, which Dragonite would otherwise struggle against.

Set Details
  • Maximum Attack and Speed investment lets Dragonite hit as hard as possible while letting it outspeed as many threats as possible after a Dragon Dance.
  • An Adamant nature maximizes Dragonite's Attack, allowing it to hit even harder.
  • Dragonium Z as the item turns Outrage into an extremely powerful 190 Base Power Devastating Drake, which deals massive damage to nearly every Pokemon.
  • Multiscale allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance easily, as it can survive most attacks.

Usage Tips
  • Send in Dragonite against slower Pokemon and Pokemon that can't damage Dragonite very much like Chansey, allowing it to easily set up Dragon Dance.
  • Use Dragonite to scare off potential threats such as Charizard, opening the way for teammates like Magearna.
  • Put in what pokemon to avoid, ie M-Gyarados, KyuB, etc.
  • In most scenarios, Dragon Dance first turn and then use Devastating Drake on the following turn, unless Dragonite is up against a Pokemon that resists it, in which Dragonite should use one of its coverage moves to KO.
  • Despite that, however, don't always Dragon Dance first turn; Devastating Drake can be used first against Sturdy Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan followed by Extreme Speed to finish them off. It can also be used without Dragon Dance if it OHKOes the foe without the Attack boost.
  • Try to play around common Counter Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan, which can always survive a hit with Sturdy and retaliate hard. However, this can be tricky, as Crustle has a chance to KO Dragonite with Continental Crush even with Multiscale and Donphan can execute a combination of Continental Crush + Ice Shard.
Team Options
  • As a setup Pokemon, Dragonite is able to break many walls such as Mega Venusaur and Chansey, which many Pokemon appreciate. Both of these pokemon run Charm which lowers Dragonite's attack by more than Dragon Dance boosts it. Use a different example.
  • In particular, fast, frailer Pokemon like Tapu Koko and Greninja enjoy Dragonite scaring off special tanks which would otherwise wall them.
  • In addition, Tapu Koko and Greninja are great for dealing with physical walls like Deoxys-D and Slowbro, which Dragonite appreciates.
  • Other special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y and Porygon-Z are also useful for breaking physical walls.
  • Mega Mawile is able to deal with both Kyurem-B and Mega Gyarados, which are two of Dragonite's biggest counters.
  • As Dragonite is, at best, a shaky check to Sturdy users, answers to them like Mega Gyarados and Mega Slowbro are useful.
Choice Band
Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head

Moves
  • Outrage is Dragonite's hardest-hitting move thanks to its Base Power and STAB and is the move Dragonite will be using the most.
  • Earthquake is a good coverage option that hits Steel- and Electric-types like Magearna and Tapu Koko.
  • Fire Punch is useful for Steel-types that Earthquake doesn't hit super effectively, like Celesteela, Ferrothorn, Durant, and Genesect.
  • Iron Head hits Fairy-types like Tapu Lele, which are immune to Outrage.
Set Details
  • Maximum Attack and Speed EVs along with an Adamant nature give Dragonite as much offensive power as it can get.
  • Choice Band gives all of Dragonite's attacks a 50% boost, making them hit much harder.
  • Multiscale allows Dragonite to tank even super effective hits and retaliate hard, due to it being outspeed by many common threats.
Usage Tips

  • Choice Band Dragonite is useful for getting damage without setting up first, which is useful against Pokemon like Choice Scarf Tapu Lele and Magearna.
  • Send it in when you expect your opponent to use a Pokemon that cannot OHKO Dragonite, like Mega Charizard Y or Porygon-Z.
  • Against most foes, use Outrage to OHKO or 2HKO them. Against Pokemon that resist or are immune to Dragon, such as Tapu Lele or Tapu Koko, use Dragonite's coverage options such as Iron Head and Earthquake to OHKO them.
  • This set is very susceptible to Counter users, but the weakness can be played around by bluffing a Dragon Dance set.
Team Options
  • Dragonite's ability to break special walls like Chansey and Mega Venusaur is greatly appreciated by Pokemon such as Porygon-Z and Tapu Koko.
  • Sturdy-Counter users like Donphan are generally troubling for Dragonite to face, which makes answers like Mega Gyarados valuable. Not just sturdy-counter, pokemon CounterCoat users as well. Mention these (Deoxys-D, MBlastoise)
  • Mega Gyarados also scares off other Sturdy users like Crustle, which Dragonite also dislikes facing.
  • Proper checks to Mega Mawile and Magearna, such as Donphan, are also useful.
  • Special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y are useful because they can deal with physical walls like Mega Slowbro.
  • Magearna and Mega Mawile can deal with opposing Dragon-types like Kyurem-B while also dealing with Mega Gyarados.

Strategy Comments

Other Options

  • A Choice Band allows for more immediate damage, allowing Dragonite to 2HKO Deoxys-D with Outrage, and gives Dragonite a chance to beat Magearna by OHKOing it with Earthquake before it can move. However, it doesn't allow Dragonite to switch up its attacks, making it unable to beat Sturdy users along with other Pokemon it needs Extreme Speed to finish off.
  • Weakness Policy is an option that doubles both Dragonite's Attack and Special Attack after taking a super effective attack, allowing Dragonite to OHKO nearly everything. Super effective attacks Dragonite can notably survive are Choice Scarf Porygon-Z's Ice Beam, Air Balloon Magearna's Fleur Cannon, Mega Metagross's Ice Punch, and more, allowing Dragonite to beat threats its other sets can't.
  • Some other move options are Ice Punch to beat Lando, although that's pretty much it.
Checks and Counters

Kyurem-Black: Kyurem-Black easily counters all Dragonite sets; it outspeeds Dragonite and can KO it through Multiscale with Teravolt and Outrage or Ice Beam. Most Kyurem-Black sets can defeat Dragonite, ranging from Choice Scarf to Haban Berry.

Mega Mawile: Mega Mawile has Intimidate pre-Mega Evolution, dropping Dragonite's Attack. Mega Mawile also has a high Defense stat, and Dragonite is unable to OHKO it even with Choice Band-boosted Earthquake. Mega Mawile can then OHKO Dragonite with Play Rough, even with Multiscale intact.

Mega Gyarados: Mega Gyarados's Intimidate drops Dragonite's Attack, with Dragonite only having a slim chance to KO standard Mega Gyarados with Devastating Drake after Dragon Dance. Mega Gyarados can use Dragon Dance on it while surviving any of its attacks with ease, and proceed to KO it with Mold Breaker Outrage, bypassing Multiscale.

Pokemon that can OHKO through Multiscale: Some Pokemon such as Crustle and Greninja are capable of KOing Dragonite with their super effective STAB moves even through Multiscale. Crustle has a chance to KO it with Continental Crush, while Greninja always OHKOes with Ice Beam. Choice Band Garchomp also has a chance to OHKO Dragonite with Outrage while outspeeding it, and Magearna can take an unboosted Earthquake and OHKO Dragonite with Choice Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon.

Physical Walls: Physical walls like Mega Slowbro and Deoxys-D can raise their Defense by two stages, beating out Dragonite's Dragon Dance. They also take unboosted Devastating Drake with ease, walling Dragonite after that. Mention also Charm pokemon and Will-o-Wisp pokemon.
Implement these comments and you're good to go.
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Overview
Good.

Dragon Dance
Good overall.

Choice Band
Good overall.

Other Options
You already made Choice Band a set why mention it here?
I'd remove Ice Punch alltogether and add a special Dragonium-Z set with Draco Meteor to play mindgames with the opponent, also a choice specs set is OK!

Checks and Counters
Good.

Amazing job.
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Dragonite

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Overview

An amazing ability in Multiscale halves the damage of the first hit Dragonite takes that isn't from Mold Breaker or Teravolt, allowing it to set up Dragon Dance or fire off powerful attacks relatively safely. Dragonite's high Attack stat allows it to hit extremely hard with a boosted Devastating Drake or Choice Band Outrage alongside a good movepool that features powerful STAB moves such as Outrage, great coverage moves such as Earthquake and Fire Punch, and a useful priority move in Extreme Speed. Dragonite also sports a good Dragon / Flying typing, which lets it resist common types such as Water and Fire while also being a great offensive typing that is useful against Pokemon such as Mega Charizard X and Mega Charizard Y. However, Dragonite has a relatively low base 80 Speed stat that leaves it outsped by threats such as Tapu Koko even after a Dragon Dance. Tapu Koko's a bad example since you beat it. There are lots of pokemon you get outsped by before a Dragon Dance that are worth mentioning. Dragonite's reliance on Multiscale also leaves it vulnerable to Mold Breaker and Teravolt users, namely Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B. Lastly, Dragonite sports a 4x weakness to Ice, leaving it weak to Pokemon that carry Ice-type moves such as Greninja that can OHKO it even with Multiscale intact. Mention 4mss.

Dragon Dance
Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed / Fire Punch

Set Comments

Moves

Dragon Dance is Dragonite's setup move, boosting both its Attack and Speed. Outrage is a powerful STAB move that is boosted to an incredible 190 Base Power with a Dragonium Z, OHKOing nearly everything at +1. Earthquake is a good coverage move that can deal with Steel- and Electric-type Pokemon such as Magearna and Tapu Koko. Magearna is not OHKO'd by non-Banded Earthquake, while Fleur Cannon always OHKOs any HP investment less than 104. Extreme Speed is useful for picking off weakened Sturdy users such as Donphan and Crustle. Fire Punch allows Dragonite to beat Pokemon such as Kartana, Genesect, and Celesteela, which Dragonite would otherwise struggle against.

Set Details

Maximum Attack and Speed investment lets Dragonite hit as hard as possible while letting it outspeed as many threats as possible after a Dragon Dance. An Adamant nature further increases Dragonite's Attack, allowing it to hit even harder. Dragonium Z turns Outrage into an extremely powerful 190-Base Power Devastating Drake that deals massive damage to nearly every Pokemon. Multiscale allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance easily, as it can survive most attacks with it.

Usage Tips

It is best to send in Dragonite against slower Pokemon and Pokemon that can't damage Dragonite very much, like Chansey, allowing it to easily set up Dragon Dance. Chansey would probably have Charm though. You'd have to use z-Dragon Dance somehow. You can also use Dragonite to scare off potential threats such as Charizard, Charizard Y at least, Charizard X may very well beat Dragonite. opening the way for teammates like Magearna; however, avoid sending in Dragonite against threats like Kyurem-B, Mega Gyarados, and Crustle. In most scenarios, it is best to use Dragon Dance first turn and then use Devastating Drake on the following turn, unless Dragonite is up against a Pokemon that resists Dragon, in which Dragonite should use one of its coverage moves. However, in some cases, don't always use Dragon Dance first turn; Devastating Drake can be used first against Sturdy Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan followed by Extreme Speed to finish them off. It can also be used without Dragon Dance if it OHKOes the foe without the Attack boost. Try to play around common Counter Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan, which can always survive a hit with Sturdy and retaliate hard. However, this can be tricky, as Crustle has a chance to KO Dragonite with Continental Crush even with Multiscale and Donphan can execute a combination of Continental Crush + Ice Shard.

Team Options

As a physical setup Pokemon, Dragonite is able to defeat some specially bulky Pokemon like Meloetta, which special attackers appreciate. In particular, fast, frailer Pokemon like Tapu Koko and Greninja enjoy Dragonite scaring off the special tanks that would otherwise wall them. Tapu Koko and Greninja are also great for dealing with physical walls like Deoxys-D and Slowbro, which Dragonite appreciates. Other special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y and Porygon-Z are also useful for breaking physical walls. Mega Mawile is able to deal with both Kyurem-B and Mega Gyarados, which are two of Dragonite's biggest counters. Lastly, as Dragonite is, at best, a shaky check to Sturdy users, answers to them like Mega Gyarados and Mega Slowbro are useful.

Choice Band
Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head

Moves

Outrage is Dragonite's hardest-hitting move thanks to its high Base Power and STAB boost and is the move Dragonite will be using the most. Earthquake is a good coverage option that hits Steel- and Electric-types like Magearna and Tapu Koko. Fire Punch is useful for Steel-types that Earthquake doesn't hit super effectively, like Celesteela, Ferrothorn, Durant, and Genesect. Iron Head hits Fairy-types like Tapu Lele, which are immune to Outrage.

Set Details

Maximum Attack and Speed EVs along with an Adamant nature give Dragonite as much offensive power as it can get. I would run HP on a Band set. At most I would try to outspeed Modest Magnezone at 220. Max HP can occasionally live stuff like Specs Magearna which only OHKOs 43.8% of the time. A Choice Band gives a 50% boost to Dragonite's Attack stat, making all of its moves hit much harder. Multiscale allows Dragonite to tank even super effective hits and retaliate hard, which is helpful because it is outspeed outsped by many common threats.
Usage Tips

Choice Band Dragonite is useful for getting damage without setting up first, which is useful against Pokemon like Choice Scarf Tapu Lele and Magearna. Send it in when you expect your opponent to use a Pokemon that cannot OHKO Dragonite, like Mega Charizard Y or Porygon-Z. Against most foes, use Outrage to OHKO or 2HKO them. Against Pokemon that resist or are immune to Dragon-type moves, such as Tapu Lele and Tapu Koko, use Dragonite's coverage options such as Iron Head and Earthquake to OHKO them. This set is very susceptible to Counter users, but the weakness can be played around by bluffing a Dragon Dance set, so use that to your advantage. Choice Band also lets you run an additional coverage move instead of Dragon Dance.

Team Options

Dragonite's ability to break special walls like Chansey and Mega Venusaur is greatly appreciated by Pokemon such as Porygon-Z and Tapu Koko. In return, special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y can deal with physical walls like Mega Slowbro. Sturdy + Counter users like Donphan are generally troubling for Dragonite to face, which makes answers like Mega Gyarados valuable. Mega Gyarados also scares off other Sturdy users like Crustle, which Dragonite also dislikes facing. Similarly, CounterCoat users like Deoxys-D and Mega Blastoise are also difficult for Dragonite to beat; as such, checks like Tapu Koko are appreciated. Proper checks to Mega Mawile and Magearna, such as Donphan, are also useful. Fairy-types such as Magearna and Mega Mawile can deal with opposing Dragon-types like Kyurem-B while also dealing with Mega Gyarados.

Strategy Comments

Other Options


Weakness Policy is an option that doubles both Dragonite's Attack and Special Attack after taking a super effective attack, allowing Dragonite to OHKO nearly everything. Super effective attacks Dragonite can notably survive are Choice Scarf Porygon-Z's Ice Beam, Air Balloon Magearna's Fleur Cannon, Mega Metagross's Ice Punch, and more, allowing Dragonite to beat threats its other sets can't. This set is best as a surprise, as otherwise it is weaker than Band without the set-up of Dragon Dance. A special set with Dragonium Z + Draco Meteor can be used to catch opponents off guard, as they may expect a physical set and bring in their physical walls to deal with Dragonite. A Choice Specs set is useful for the same reason, but in general, the surprise factor is not worth sacrificing the usefulness of Dragon Dance and Dragonite's much higher Attack stat.

Checks and Counters

Kyurem-B: Kyurem-B easily counters all Dragonite sets; it outspeeds Dragonite and can KO it through Multiscale with Teravolt and Outrage or Ice Beam. Most Kyurem-Black sets can defeat Dragonite, ranging from Choice Scarf to Haban Berry. The only way for Kyurem to lose is a z-Ice set that underspeeds an invested Dragonite.

Mega Mawile: Mega Mawile has Intimidate pre-Mega Evolution, dropping Dragonite's Attack. Mega Mawile also has a high Defense stat, and Dragonite is unable to OHKO it even with Choice Band-boosted Earthquake. Mega Mawile can then OHKO Dragonite with Play Rough, even with Multiscale intact. Mega-Mawile can't OHKO even 0 HP Dragonite more than 32% of the time. This should be replaced with Fairy-types as Tapu Fini, Mimikyu, Magearna, Primarina, and Mega-Mawile all do well against it.

Mega Gyarados: Mega Gyarados's Intimidate drops Dragonite's Attack, with Dragonite only having a slim chance to KO 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Gyarados with Devastating Drake after Dragon Dance. Mega Gyarados can use Dragon Dance on it while surviving any of its attacks with ease and proceed to KO it with Mold Breaker Outrage, bypassing Multiscale.

Pokemon that can OHKO through Multiscale: Some Pokemon such as Crustle and Greninja are capable of KOing Dragonite with their super effective STAB moves even through Multiscale. Crustle has a chance to KO it with Continental Crush, while Greninja always OHKOes with Ice Beam. Choice Band Garchomp also has a chance to OHKO Dragonite with Outrage while outspeeding it, and Magearna can take an unboosted Earthquake and OHKO Dragonite with Choice Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon.

Physical Walls: Physical walls like Mega Slowbro and Deoxys-D can raise their Defense by two stages, beating out Dragonite's Dragon Dance. They also take an unboosted Devastating Drake with ease, walling Dragonite after that. Similarly, Pokemon which utilize Will-O-Wisp and Charm, such as Mega Charizard Y and Mega Venusaur, heavily reduce Dragonite's damage output and make it easy to KO. Charizard Y would have to run a really bulky set with Roost too or something similarly bad. Charizard X beats Dragonite with Will-o-Wisp though.
 
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okay; i did these, but two things ;
1) not sure if mentioning 4mss cause it's not that bad for dragonite. especially on cb, where it's actually that it doesn't have enough moves to run.
2) still not sure on the whole max hp vs 96 speed for zone on cb. ive left it as 96 speed for now, but still waiting on full qc input
ty :)
nvm, just left it as is ready for gp i guess, cause kentari is gone it seems :x
 
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Overview

An amazing ability in Multiscale halves the damage of the first hit Dragonite takes that isn't from Mold Breaker or Teravolt, allowing it allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance or fire off powerful attacks relatively safely (in my opinion the first part is stating dex info; it should be assumed that they know what multiscale does). Dragonite's high Attack stat allows it to hit extremely hard with a boosted Devastating Drake or Choice Band Outrage alongside a good movepool that features powerful STAB moves such as Outrage, great coverage moves such as Earthquake and Fire Punch, and a useful priority move in Extreme Speed. Dragonite also sports a good Dragon / Flying typing, which lets it resist common types such as Water and Fire while also being a great offensive typing that is useful against Pokemon such as Mega Charizard X and Mega Charizard Y. However, Dragonite has a relatively low base 80 Speed stat that leaves it outsped by threats such as Mega Charizard X and Mimikyu. Dragonite's reliance on Multiscale also leaves it vulnerable to Mold Breaker and Teravolt users, namely Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B. Lastly, Dragonite sports a 4x weakness to Ice, leaving it weak to Pokemon that carry Ice-type moves such as Greninja that can OHKO it even with Multiscale intact.

Dragon Dance
Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed / Fire Punch

Set Comments

Moves

Dragon Dance is Dragonite's setup move, boosting both its Attack and Speed. Outrage is a powerful STAB move that is boosted to an incredible 190 Base Power with a Dragonium Z, OHKOing nearly everything at +1. Earthquake is a good coverage move that hits Steel- and Electric-type Pokemon such as Jirachi and Tapu Koko. Extreme Speed is useful for picking off weakened Sturdy users such as Donphan and Crustle. Fire Punch allows Dragonite to beat Pokemon such as Kartana, Genesect, and Celesteela, which Dragonite would otherwise struggle against.

Set Details

Maximum Attack and Speed investment lets Dragonite hit as hard as possible while letting it outspeed as many threats as possible after a Dragon Dance. An Adamant nature further increases Dragonite's Attack, allowing it to hit even harder. Dragonium Z turns Outrage into an extremely powerful 190-Base Power Devastating Drake that deals massive damage to nearly every Pokemon. Multiscale allows Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance easily, as it can survive most attacks with it.

Usage Tips

It is best to send in Dragonite against slower and weaker Pokemon and Pokemon that can't damage Dragonite very much, allowing it to easily set up Dragon Dance. You can also use Dragonite to scare off potential threats such as Mega Charizard Y, opening the way for teammates like Magearna; however, avoid sending in Dragonite against threats like Kyurem-B, Mega Gyarados, and Crustle. In most scenarios, it is best to first use Dragon Dance first turn and then use Devastating Drake on the following turn, unless Dragonite is up against a Pokemon that resists Dragon, in which Dragonite should use one of its coverage moves. However, in some cases, don't always use Dragon Dance on the first turn; Devastating Drake can be used first against Sturdy Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan followed by Extreme Speed to finish them off. It can also be used without Dragon Dance if it OHKOes the foe without the Attack boost. Try to play around common Counter Pokemon like Crustle and Donphan, which can always survive a hit with Sturdy and retaliate hard. However, this can be tricky, as Crustle has a chance to KO Dragonite with Continental Crush even with Multiscale, (AC) and Donphan can execute a combination of Continental Crush + Ice Shard.

Team Options

As a physical setup Pokemon, Dragonite is able to defeat some specially bulky Pokemon like Meloetta, which special attackers appreciate. In particular, fast, frailer Pokemon like Tapu Koko and Greninja enjoy Dragonite scaring off the special tanks that would otherwise wall them. Tapu Koko and Greninja are also great for dealing with physical walls like Deoxys-D and Slowbro, which Dragonite appreciates. Other special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y and Porygon-Z are also useful for breaking physical walls. Mega Mawile is able to deal with both Kyurem-B and Mega Gyarados, which are two of Dragonite's biggest counters. Lastly, as Dragonite is, at best, a shaky check to Sturdy users, answers to them like Mega Gyarados and Mega Slowbro are useful.

Choice Band
Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head

Moves

Outrage is Dragonite's hardest-hitting move thanks to its high Base Power and STAB boost and is the move Dragonite will be using the most. Earthquake is a good coverage option that hits Steel- and Electric-types like Magearna and Tapu Koko. Fire Punch is useful for Steel-types that Earthquake doesn't hit super effectively, like Celesteela, Ferrothorn, Durant, and Genesect. Iron Head hits Fairy-types like Tapu Lele, which are immune to Outrage.

Set Details

96 Speed EVs allow Dragonite to outspeed maximum Speed Modest Magnezone. Maximum Attack EVs along with an Adamant nature give Dragonite as much offensive power as it can get, and the rest of the EVs are put into HP to give Dragonite good mixed bulk. A Choice Band gives a 50% boost to Dragonite's Attack stat, making all of its moves hit much harder. Multiscale allows Dragonite to tank even super effective hits and retaliate hard, which is helpful because it is outsped by many common threats.

Usage Tips

Choice Band Dragonite is useful for getting damage without setting up first, which is useful against Pokemon like Choice Scarf Tapu Lele and Magearna. Send it in when you expect your opponent to use a Pokemon that cannot OHKO Dragonite, like Mega Charizard Y or Porygon-Z. Against most foes, use Outrage to OHKO or 2HKO them. Against Pokemon that resist or are immune to Dragon-type moves, such as Tapu Lele and Tapu Koko, use Dragonite's coverage options such as Iron Head and Earthquake to OHKO them. This set is very susceptible to Counter users, but the weakness can be played around by bluffing a Dragon Dance set, so use that to your advantage. Using a Choice Band set also allows Dragonite to run additional coverage moves instead of Dragon Dance, enabling it to deal with a wider variety of threats.

Team Options

Dragonite's ability to break special walls like Chansey and Mega Venusaur is greatly appreciated by Pokemon such as Porygon-Z and Tapu Koko. In return, special wallbreakers like Mega Charizard Y can deal with physical walls like Mega Slowbro. Sturdy + Counter users like Donphan are generally troubling for Dragonite to face, which makes answers like Mega Gyarados valuable. Mega Gyarados also scares off other Sturdy users like Crustle, which Dragonite also dislikes facing. Similarly, CounterCoat Counter + Mirror Coat users like Deoxys-D and Mega Blastoise are also difficult for Dragonite to beat; as such, checks like Tapu Koko are appreciated. Proper checks to Mega Mawile and Magearna, such as Donphan, are also useful. Fairy-types such as Magearna and Mega Mawile can deal with opposing Dragon-types like Kyurem-B while also dealing with Mega Gyarados.

Strategy Comments

Other Options

Weakness Policy is an option that doubles both Dragonite's Attack and Special Attack after taking a super effective attack, allowing Dragonite to OHKO nearly everything. Super effective attacks Dragonite can notably survive are Choice Scarf Porygon-Z's Ice Beam, Air Balloon Magearna's Fleur Cannon, and Mega Metagross's Ice Punch, and more, allowing Dragonite to beat threats its other sets can't; however, this set is best used as a surprise, as it is situational and generally weaker than the sets listed. A special set with Dragonium Z + Draco Meteor can be used to catch opponents off guard, as they may expect a physical set and bring in their physical walls to deal with Dragonite. A Choice Specs set is useful for the same reason, but in general, the surprise factor is not worth sacrificing the usefulness of Dragon Dance and Dragonite's much higher Attack stat.

Checks and Counters

Kyurem-B: Kyurem-B easily counters all Dragonite sets; it outspeeds Dragonite and can KO it through Multiscale with Teravolt and Outrage or Ice Beam. Most Kyurem-B sets can defeat Dragonite, ranging from Choice Scarf to Haban Berry; the only way Kyurem-B can lose if it is a bulky Icium Z set.

Fairy-types: Fairy-types are immune to Dragonite's hardest-hitting move, and most are bulky enough to take its boosted coverage moves before KOing it. Magearna's Choice Specs Fleur Cannon has a chance to OHKO almost all of the time, even with HP investment and Multiscale intact. Mega Mawile's Intimidate lowers Dragonite's Attack, and it can deal massive damage with Play Rough. Mimikyu, Tapu Fini, and Primarina also do well against Dragonite due to them being able to survive a hit or two and deal massive damage in return.

Mega Gyarados: Mega Gyarados's Intimidate drops Dragonite's Attack, with Dragonite only having a slim chance to KO 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Gyarados with Devastating Drake after Dragon Dance. Mega Gyarados can use Dragon Dance on it while surviving any of its attacks with ease and proceed to KO it with Mold Breaker Outrage, bypassing Multiscale.

Pokemon That Can OHKO Through Multiscale: Some Pokemon such as Crustle and Greninja are capable of KOing Dragonite with their super effective STAB moves even through Multiscale. Crustle has a chance to KO it with Continental Crush, while Greninja always OHKOes with Ice Beam. Choice Band Garchomp also has a chance to OHKO Dragonite with Outrage while outspeeding it, and Magearna can take an unboosted Earthquake and OHKO Dragonite with Choice Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon.

Physical Walls: Physical walls like Mega Slowbro and Deoxys-D can raise their Defense by two stages, beating out Dragonite's Dragon Dance. They also take an unboosted Devastating Drake with ease, walling Dragonite after that. Similarly, Pokemon which that utilize Will-O-Wisp and Charm, such as Mega Charizard X and Mega Venusaur, heavily reduce Dragonite's damage output and make it easy to KO.


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