Inevitable Problems that America Faces?

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Suddenly throwing poop and pee is worse than genocide.

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Sure. Throwing poop and pee, you know, stuff that couldn't contaminate people with diseases, a little Assault and Battery with clubs and knives here and there, random property damage. Don't call us until they actually succeed in killing someone in the name of literally the most genocidal ideology in the last century before we stop minimizing them and allowing them to grow and fester.
 

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Sure. Throwing poop and pee, you know, stuff that couldn't contaminate people with diseases, a little Assault and Battery with clubs and knives here and there, random property damage. Don't call us until they actually succeed in killing someone in the name of literally the most genocidal ideology in the last century before we stop minimizing them and allowing them to grow and fester.
Ah, okay! Just wanted to clarify that you think that's worse than lynching "(BAN ME PLEASE)s" and running over protesters.

(You can put your swastika tattoo on full display now f.y.i. Everyone else is doing it!)
 
TFW you consider breaking bank windows and toppling shitty statues of confederates made pretty much solely to intimidate black people more horrible then calling for genocide and running over protestors with your car.
 

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Ah, okay! Just wanted to clarify that you think that's worse than lynching "(BAN ME PLEASE)" and running over protesters.

(You can put your swastika tattoo on full display now f.y.i. Everyone else is doing it!)
My position is both Nazis and Commies are condemnable. Your position is that condemning both is the same as supporting the Nazis. Your position is shittier logic-wise than the shit bottles Antifa throws are literal shit-wise.
 

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My position is both Nazis and Commies are condemnable. Your position is that condemning both is the same as supporting the Nazis. Your position is shittier logic-wise than the shit bottles Antifa throws are literal shit-wise.
Condemning both is not the same as supporting Nazis, et al, but fwiw I've yet to see you condemn the Nazis, et al to the extent you have the protesters. I have seen you say a lot of shit, though.

And no, I don't feel compelled to condemn Antifa for pooping on your lawn.
 

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As of 2013 (I believe) water is the most popular drink in the US.

Also Mexico is fatter...
Yeah because Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Nestlé have tricked Americans into believing that bottled water is a healthier alternative to soda. This is a false equivalence. It's an alternative to the tap water that we already pay for and can cost up to 2,000 times as much.

Water scarcity may not be a problem that Americans will face soon, but it is a reality that we profit off of currently.
 

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Assuming we continue to be leaders in technology, we will continue to develop new technology without fully understanding how it can (read: will) harm us. This includes anything from nuclear weaponry to IS using social media as a recruiting platform.
I'm not saying we should stop innovating or anything (not like society would accept this anyway), but we have possessed the toolset(s) to end human life for decades. Continuing to move forward yet properly covering your flanks is an essential and difficult balancing act we aren't "solving" anytime soon.

Also, re: capitalism, remember that we're in a capatilist world order enforced from the top, meaning thriving non-capitalism is pretty infeasible and subject to economic pressure from the top. The Soviets learned this lesson rather painfully. Add this to political instability in "leftist" states like early-PROC and Venezuela and you have a recipe for disaster.
Don't call us until they actually succeed in killing someone in the name of literally the most genocidal ideology in the last century before we stop minimizing them and allowing them to grow and fester.
Genocidal (think Holocaust / Holodomor) =/= Resulting in Death (think bad overall USSR agricultural policy) =/= Causing Death (think Stalin signing death warrants)
Authoritarian Leftism (which caused all the deaths in PROC etc) =/= Far Leftism

Not that antifa lacks condemnable actions
 
This is a random one but we'll never get a real train system anytime soon. Most long distance tracks aren't public and is hogged by private companies, and aren't worth it because of the population is too dispersed, and the few cities we have that would warrant good, local trains were architected poorly to support them. Think about like NYC, and how the city is laid out in a square by square grid. There's no way there's gonna be an above ground train system because there's nowhere to fit it. Best we can do right now is keep using the subways/amtrak. Those are -alright- I guess.. but compared to any other major country I've been to, murica's trains suck!
 
When I was on the train/subway system on the east coast I didn't really have too much hassle with it. Then again that was awhile back.
 

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/26/wee...rom-libertarian-to-fascist-and-hes-not-alone/

Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir,” Sheffield wrote. “But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades.” Sheffield traced the paleo-libertarian movement — which is essentially a merging of free-market fundamentalism and far-right cultural populism — back to the “anarcho-capitalist” economist Murray Rothbard, who is famous for, among other things, advocating child labor and claiming that parents should have the legal right “not to feed [their] child [and] allow it to die.” Rothbard was a co-founder of the Koch-funded think tank Cato Institute, and later the Ludwig von Mises Institute, which “enabled the fledgling [libertarian] movement to establish affinity with the neo-Confederate Lost Cause movement.”

“To solve the problem that few Americans are interested in small government,” Sheffield explained, “Rothbard argued that libertarians needed to align themselves with people they might not like much in order to expand their numbers.” These people included Evangelical Christians and neo-Confederates (i.e., white supremacists) who despised the federal government — especially after it stepped in to defend the civil rights of oppressed African-Americans in the South during the 1960s.


Paleo-libertarianism was, in other words, a thoroughly reactionary ideology that combined the very worst aspects of both libertarianism and right-wing populism. This makes it distinct from the broader libertarian movement, which tends to be more socially liberal or at least socially tolerant. The “alt-right” was an outgrowth of this unholy alliance.

This becomes clear when looking into the biographies of top figures on the “alt-right,” such as Richard Spencer, the neo-Nazi who coined the term “alt-right.” Before becoming a full-fledged white supremacist leading “hail Trump” rallies, Spencer was a fan of Ron Paul and hosted the then-congressman at an event for his Robert Taft Club in 2007 (courtesy of CSPAN). Another leader of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville earlier this month was Mike Peinovich (aka Mike Enoch), a white supremacist podcaster and blogger who marched alongside David Duke. Like Spencer, he also ran in libertarian circles and supported Paul before embracing his inner racist during the 2016 election.

The list goes on and on, but there is one particularly notorious individual who is worth looking at in more detail. This is Christopher Cantwell, the overtly fascist star of Vice News’ widely-viewed documentary on the Charlottesville protests, who became the most infamous man in America following the tragedy in Virginia (and the most mocked after posting a teary-eyed video online and getting banned from OkCupid). At this point it should surprise no one that Cantwell, like many of his fellow white supremacists in the “alt-right,” started out as a libertarian.

In fact, Cantwell still considers himself to be “foundationally” a libertarian. In a March interview on YouTube, the white supremacist said that he is a libertarian at heart and believes that “everything should be done through property rights and contracts.” He came to the conclusion, however, that “the idea that most of the people we live around today would be property owners in the absence of the state is hysterically, obnoxiously stupid.”

“Those people are not fit for survival in the absence of the state,” continued Cantwell. “So I don’t argue with people who call me a fascist anymore, because essentially these people are products of the democratic state.”


Cantwell went on to advocate state-sponsored eugenics, and even genocidal mass murder: “Basically you have to start making better people in the society, and that might involve doing things like chucking (BAN ME PLEASE)s out of helicopters.”

Clearly Cantwell is a provocateur who exists on the fringe and delights in shocking the “normies.” But the most extreme members of a political movement are often the most candid about their beliefs and goals, and one can learn a great deal about a movement or an ideology based on the characters that it attracts on its fringe. Cantwell’s deplorable comments provide an insight into the personalities who may be drawn to libertarian and/or fascist movements, which are both fundamentally reactionary and authoritarian (i.e., undemocratic).
A term that comes to mind when considering both libertarianism and fascism is “social Darwinism.” Cantwell’s worldview is clearly driven by a pseudo-Darwinian perspective, and this is what initially drove him to libertarianism — an ideology that advocates the privatization of all areas of life. As Noam Chomsky has pointed out, this would inevitably lead to “private tyranny,” but in the libertarian mind it would unleash the invisible hand of the market and allow the fittest to thrive — or as Cantwell might put it, it would “start making better people in the society.”

This “survival of the fittest” mentality ended up driving Cantwell into outright fascism and white supremacy as he began espousing a pseudoscientific racialist worldview. Many of the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville no doubt followed a similar path.

It has long been common knowledge that the libertarian movement in America is dominated by young white males. A 2013 survey from Public Religion Research Institute found that, compared to the general population, “libertarians are significantly more likely to be non-Hispanic white, male, and young.” Nearly all libertarians, the researchers write, “are non-Hispanic whites (94%), more than two-thirds (68%) are men, and more than 6-in-10 (62%) are under the age of 50.” It hardly needs to be pointed out that the “alt-right” is also overwhelmingly white, male and young.

What this reveals is that young white males are far more susceptible to reactionary thinking. This is not surprising in itself. The explicit (or implicit) aim of any reactionary movement or ideology is to restore society to some golden age of the past. Needless to say, it is much easier for white men to romanticize history than it is for women, people of color or LGBTQ people.






Over the past month, the “alt-right’s” fetishistic longing for the past has been on full display as shlubby white supremacists have left the comfort of their couches to protest the removal of Confederate statues. For these bigots, historical figures like Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis represent a better time, when white men recognized their true supremacy and dominated society.

Within the libertarian movement, there exists a similar nostalgia for the Gilded Age, when capital dominated over labor and the “free market” unleashed the Übermensch spirit. It goes without saying that only white men — and very few of them, one might add — did particularly well during this period.

Reactionary ideologues tend to picture themselves thriving in these idyllic epochs of history, although the chances are better that someone like Christopher Cantwell would have been a black lung-afflicted coal miner rather than a prosperous captain of industry in 1878.

Following the tragedy in Charlottesville earlier this month, arrest warrants were issued in Virginia for Cantwell, who is accused of the “illegal use of tear gas or other gases.” (He turned himself in to the police on Thursday and was denied bail.) He could face years in prison if convicted, where his “survival of the fittest” mentality will be put to the test. But many other impressionable young white men will continue to be indoctrinated by reactionary ideologies, whether it is libertarianism, white supremacy or both.

The evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins — who is often wrongfully accused of advocating selfishness because of the title of his book “The Selfish Gene” — once stated in an interview that he is a “passionate anti-Darwinist when it involves the kind of society in which we want to live.” “A Darwinian state,” observed Dawkins, “would be a Fascist state.”

Young zealots like Cantwell who espoused libertarian dogma and supported Ron Paul five years ago have come to this realization as well, and have thus embraced fascism outright. When one grasps the social-Darwinian roots of both ideologies, this transformation begins to make sense."

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/geo...-if-she-tries-to-remove-confederate-monument/

Jones, who formerly served in the state legislature until last year, questioned whether state tax dollars help pay for the upkeep of the memorial, which includes the house Davis fled to after the Civil War ended. A few comments in, Spencer began making threatening allusions.

“Continue your quixotic journey into South Georgia and it will not be pleasant,” Spencer replied. “The truth. Not a warning. Those folks won’t put up with it like they do in Atlanta.”

“I can guarantee you won’t be met with torches but something a lot more definitive,” he continued, responding to Jones’ comment about the store-bought tiki torches used by the white supremacists at the Charlottesville rally earlier this month.

After another person commented about the differences between Atlanta (a city that has a large African American population) and the rest of Georgia, Spencer agreed.

“They will go missing in the Okefenokee [swamp],” he wrote. “Too many necks they are red around here. Don’t say I didn’t warn you about ’em.”



https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ey-manmade-climate-disaster-world-catastrophe

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/28/climate-change-hurricane-harvey-more-deadly

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/10/rj-williams-shooting-stephen-mader-fired-lawsuit



In the termination letter, Mader’s superiors argued that he failed to respond to the threat. “The unfortunate reality of police work is that making any decision is better than making no decision at all,” it says.

Mader counters that he did make a decision – that he decided, based on Williams’ body language and apparent mental state, that he did not present a threat and that de-escalation was the best way to proceed.

Mader had a degree of familiarity with life-and-death situations. A former US marine who saw service in Afghanistan, he said he brought some of that mettle to his job as an officer.

“He wasn’t angry,” he said of Williams, “he wasn’t aggressive, he didn’t seem in position to want to use a gun against anybody. He never pointed it at me. I didn’t perceive him as an imminent threat.”

Mader’s commanding officers essentially argued that such an evaluation was not his to make. “No officer was ever trained to deduce the intention of a suspect,” the termination notice reads.

O’Brien disagrees. “If the emphasis is, ‘You must use deadly force if you can use deadly force’,” he said, “then you are taking away that critical discretion that every police officer must have.”
 
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America is, huge, protected, isolated, resource rich and has it's status of world power served to it on a silver platter. The problems it will face come mostly from world problems that America will also experience being part of the world. My biggest worry is global warming to be honest.

I've never visited America outside of Hawaii but even just from that obesity is a pretty huge problem.
You guys are one of the only major developed states in the world that lacks proper socialised health care you should probably look into that.
Racism and violence are definite worries but in this case I think the media could be over exaggerating them to some extent.

The political problems you guys will face is accepting that you no longer boss and puppet the world. As technology becomes more and more available and new world powers emerge America will see a huge shift in it's diplomatic position compared to prior history and you guys should probably learn how to deal with that and not risk cold war #2.
 
Edit: Because there are unironic communist on this forum, I will repost the image and hopefully spark further ACTUAL RESEARCH instead of mindlessly listening to Myzozoa 's propaganda.

I see no issue with the quote you posted. It depicts well what is wrong with capitalism. Hitler saying it doesn't change my mind. I guess we'll also just ignore that he brought Germany out of an economic shithole! Apparently if you commit/attempt genocide your economic policy is now null. Which I guess means capitalism is null as well because of the Cambodian genocide, and probably most genocides ever done.
 

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America is, huge, protected, isolated, resource rich and has it's status of world power served to it on a silver platter. The problems it will face come mostly from world problems that America will also experience being part of the world. My biggest worry is global warming to be honest.

I've never visited America outside of Hawaii but even just from that obesity is a pretty huge problem.
You guys are one of the only major developed states in the world that lacks proper socialised health care you should probably look into that.
Racism and violence are definite worries but in this case I think the media could be over exaggerating them to some extent.

The political problems you guys will face is accepting that you no longer boss and puppet the world. As technology becomes more and more available and new world powers emerge America will see a huge shift in it's diplomatic position compared to prior history and you guys should probably learn how to deal with that and not risk cold war #2.
Ironically in Hawaii we have the most socialized medicine of the states ... lol

Though obesity in Hawaii is a product both of American consumer culture and because Polynesian bodies aren't meant for a diet based primarily on rice and wheat...
 

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America is, huge, protected, isolated, resource rich and has it's status of world power served to it on a silver platter. The problems it will face come mostly from world problems that America will also experience being part of the world. My biggest worry is global warming to be honest.

I've never visited America outside of Hawaii but even just from that obesity is a pretty huge problem.
You guys are one of the only major developed states in the world that lacks proper socialised health care you should probably look into that.
Racism and violence are definite worries but in this case I think the media could be over exaggerating them to some extent.

The political problems you guys will face is accepting that you no longer boss and puppet the world. As technology becomes more and more available and new world powers emerge America will see a huge shift in it's diplomatic position compared to prior history and you guys should probably learn how to deal with that and not risk cold war #2.
What do you define as bossing the world? America is basically the world's only global superpower at the current moment, and most nations are its allies. Europe isn't kicking the USA out of NATO any time soon. What new world powers are actually growing fast enough / are powerful enough to reach the level of the USA? Technology helps developing nations a ton, but the USA is also pretty unquestionably a leader in technology innovation and manufacturing.

Also I always find it funny when other countries mock the USA for having such a huge obesity problem without looking at their own obesity statistics first, considering AUS has basically the same obesity rate as america
 
What do you define as bossing the world? America is basically the world's only global superpower at the current moment, and most nations are its allies. Europe isn't kicking the USA out of NATO any time soon. What new world powers are actually growing fast enough / are powerful enough to reach the level of the USA? Technology helps developing nations a ton, but the USA is also pretty unquestionably a leader in technology innovation and manufacturing.

Also I always find it funny when other countries mock the USA for having such a huge obesity problem without looking at their own obesity statistics first, considering AUS has basically the same obesity rate as america
Australia's obesity rates are high yes, America's are much higher.

The USA has a history of fighting far off wars and having strange morally disagreeable allies in order to protect it's interests. Back when it was the cold war days and shortly after when the USA was the strongest nation in the world by leaps and bounds they could get away with this. But as nations like China and Russia reemerge they will have their own interests and the USA has never had too much of a history of respecting this. Of course I'm not saying future world powers will be any better than the USA nor am I saying that the USA should never intervene but the way diplomacy is carried out definitely has to change.
 

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Australia's obesity rates are high yes, America's are much higher.

The USA has a history of fighting far off wars and having strange morally disagreeable allies in order to protect it's interests. Back when it was the cold war days and shortly after when the USA was the strongest nation in the world by leaps and bounds they could get away with this. But as nations like China and Russia reemerge they will have their own interests and the USA has never had too much of a history of respecting this. Of course I'm not saying future world powers will be any better than the USA nor am I saying that the USA should never intervene but the way diplomacy is carried out definitely has to change.


The above is overweight %, not obesity. It would appear a study has not been conducted since 2005, but trends pointed to 30% AUS obesity rates in 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Australia). 27.6% of americans were obese in 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States, first paragraph but this is hard data not an extrapolation). Our countries are basically at parity.


Is your second half of your post mostly about the global war on terror, or strains between the big three powers? R.E. war on terror almost the entire world is united against isis and friends. Russia just happens to favor a different victor in the "who should take over syria that's not isis". China and the USA are pretty close partners, what with each propping up each other's GDP. I don't think that there's zero diplomatic problems that occur in the world (like north korea is a pretty good example, as well as the south china sea territories), but I don't think that USA's diplomatic efforts are doing a lot worse than they were 20 years ago. What current diplomatic strategy the US is doing, right now, will be its downfall with other superpowers?
 

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The above is overweight %, not obesity. It would appear a study has not been conducted since 2005, but trends pointed to 30% AUS obesity rates in 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_Australia). 27.6% of americans were obese in 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States, first paragraph but this is hard data not an extrapolation). Our countries are basically at parity.
I don't know about australia but I live in the UK and visit the US about once or twice a year.
We might have a similar % of "people who are overweight" but the extreme to which americans are overweight is what sticks out so much. We don't have anywhere near as many spherical blobs waddling around as the US does.

Is your second half of your post mostly about the global war on terror, or strains between the big three powers? R.E. war on terror almost the entire world is united against isis and friends. Russia just happens to favor a different victor in the "who should take over syria that's not isis". China and the USA are pretty close partners, what with each propping up each other's GDP. I don't think that there's zero diplomatic problems that occur in the world (like north korea is a pretty good example, as well as the south china sea territories), but I don't think that USA's diplomatic efforts are doing a lot worse than they were 20 years ago. What current diplomatic strategy the US is doing, right now, will be its downfall with other superpowers?
It's the refusal to accept that the world doesn't want them to be the global police force it thinks it is. The US has a several-decade-spanning history of meddling in other countries and affairs, whether through military force (vietnam) or internal sabotage (iran) to get its way and kick developing countries back down.
The entire reason why the middle east is a gigantic cluster fuck right now is caused entirely by the US and its addiction to oil.
 

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The USA has a history of fighting far off wars and having strange morally disagreeable allies in order to protect it's interests. Back when it was the cold war days and shortly after when the USA was the strongest nation in the world by leaps and bounds they could get away with this. But as nations like China and Russia reemerge they will have their own interests and the USA has never had too much of a history of respecting this. Of course I'm not saying future world powers will be any better than the USA nor am I saying that the USA should never intervene but the way diplomacy is carried out definitely has to change.
Is your second half of your post mostly about the global war on terror, or strains between the big three powers? R.E. war on terror almost the entire world is united against isis and friends. Russia just happens to favor a different victor in the "who should take over syria that's not isis". China and the USA are pretty close partners, what with each propping up each other's GDP. I don't think that there's zero diplomatic problems that occur in the world (like north korea is a pretty good example, as well as the south china sea territories), but I don't think that USA's diplomatic efforts are doing a lot worse than they were 20 years ago. What current diplomatic strategy the US is doing, right now, will be its downfall with other superpowers?

I personally prefer to assess the issue of the U.S. continued global relevance from a world systems dominance (AKA American Empire/Hegemony) perspective. Apologies if this post sounds like excerpts from an essay - it isn't, but my train of thought after spending most of 2016 writing about the topic now comes out less-than-conversationally :').


The USA is in an inherently different position today in terms of exerting its global dominance / diplomacy than it was 20-30 years ago. The exact wording varies dependent on the translation, but as the USSR fell, Georgy Arbatov (senior USSR political scientist) stated as the Soviet Union fell that this would be a great disservice / blow to the US, as it would deprive them of an enemy - and he was correct. Without an enemy for the American people to rally against, the US' internal tensions come to the fore.


Henry R. Luce may have coined the term "An American Century", but it was George Kennan's "Containment that facilitated its manifestation. The USA effectively "made itself great" post WW2 with the "Containment" systems designed to restrict the growth of, and eventually destroy, communism and the USSR. These systems being the UN (A multi-stakeholder global government designed with American principles at its core), Conflict deterrence through global military dominance (NATO, overseas bases in over 70 countries, mega military spending), and global economic/cultural dominance (strengthening domestic belief in the Jeffersonian strain of "American Democracy" as a polar opposite to socialism/communism, and through that genuine belief, economic growth and Hollywood, making the world want to be American. Arguably low-level psychological warfare on a mass scale, but I rate it).


The fall of the USSR did not necessarily de-legitimise any of these systems overseas (I mean some countries liked having a US military presence as a deterrent for their neighbours as opposed to the USSR) but it did open them up to internal scrutiny. The War on Terror had enormous potential to offset this (not saying 9/11 was an inside job, just that the WoT was, IMO, Bush making the best of a bad situation - in theory) but after the first couple of months it was an omnishables. This de-legitimised US and NATO overseas interference in the eyes of many Americans (and Brits, #TonyBlairWarCriminal) and we now see a deep rift along the lines of how much people either oppose the WoT or continue to disproportionately fear salafist terror attacks. However drawing political lines is difficult, because whilst Trump supporters typically "fear" Islamist terror attacks more, Trump rose on a platform which suggested defunding the UN, pulling out of NATO and getting rid of costly overseas bases. At the same time, Hillary, much like Obama, was entirely pro-UN/NATO/FOB, whereas her supporters were typically less fond of FOB and NATO issues relating to the WoT.


This leaves the USA in a fundamentally confused position, and that is a problem for both domestic and foreign policy-wise. The USA has attained its current position on the back of a grand strategy, the maintenance of which means it cannot stop or reverse, only slightly adjust course. The aftershocks of the shambolic WoT on the US national and wider Western political consciousness mean that there is pressure both at personal and political levels to head in the opposite direction. Couple that with a lack of a legitimate basis with which to gain the support of the American people in hardballing legitimate challengers, and you have a simple recipe for the destablilisation of the US global political settlement / the continued erosion of the US’ role as global hegemon.


It is, essentially, this that (imo, anyway) will make it difficult for the US to adjust to the changing global order of the 21st century whilst maintaining the status quos it and its people hold dear.

 

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