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By support onix i meant the stealth rocks/taunt set which some people use as a lead and bird check. About the scarfers, i actually wanted just to nominate scarf machop at first, because scarf dynamic punch is quite a niche and is a killer to any "frail" checks to fighting types. Even sash abra...

I'd like to propose some additions: C-: Support Onix Scarf Machop Scarf Mankey

Xerneas is definetly suspect worthy material! That Outrage hits hard and i'm forced to switch in to my Xerneas to avoid being swept. Definetly overcentralizing and uber for the tier. Ban. Thanks.

Hey, i'm sort of new around the tier, but have been using an interesting offensive team with good success for a while, and there's some pokemons i've been using to mild/great success that i feel are worth nominating at least for B+ rank. Aside from Steel Dragonite, flying heatran and dark gengar...

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I'd like to suggest 1 particular change. Meowth C -> B- Meowth is a pokemon that has seen increased usage latelly with it's Technician niche that allows him to revenge kill quite some offensive threats with fake out+feint, along with the good coverage like knock off, aerial ace, seed bomb...

Riolu @ Eviolite Ability: Prankster Level: 5 EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 196 Def / 36 SpD / 36 Spe Impish Nature - Drain Punch - Blaze Kick - Copycat - Protect I've seen several references to SD Riolu with HJK, but i don't see serious references about bulky Riolu that is literally an hidden gem in...

It's not about doubting what the council decided at the time was right, it's the fact that the meta has changed to a point that, for example the introduction of eviolite, the banning of other pokemon that rendered checks to yanma unviable at the time, people no longer running...

I beg to differ. Max attack mienfoo has a particularity that it's more stable with and without eviolite, so it's more consistent in the endgame. Sure it doesn't resist some things (like fletch acro for instance), but it can keep it's offensive use even without eviolite, and also as i said...

I didn't even get into poison jab with the purpose of just checking spritzee and snubbull because it's a less useful move than others mienfoo usually runs. But even if we would account for poison jab, then you must also take into consideration the evioliteless calc, in which 236 Atk Mienfoo...

I agreed on you that grimer was ran mainly to stop swirlix, let's not dig into how much broken swirlix was because that wasn't even open to discuss and i believe we both agree on that. Sorry if i didnt make myself clear. But don't you see, that's exactly my point too. Sure mienfoo can't carry...

And the same way people already spam HP Fighting just for pawniard. As i said i think the reaction in the current meta is actually opposite. While grimer sticky hold held an actually pretty valuable attribute of being able to tank swirlix and 1hko in return, he also had a good utility to absorb...

My question to you, is what would you expect the statistics to be, if mienfoo counters could be played around by him and exploit their momentum with counters to their counters? Spritzee usage isn't on par and would never be on par with mienfoo because there's things like Croagunk, magnemite...

As i said in the end of my post, i dont find anything individually "broken" about mienfoo, but i believe that his versatility and momentum gain, regenerator, set up threat, along with being able to wear down and revenge kill most things in the meta with different sets, makes him too good for...

That argument doesn't hold, because you dont keep broken pokemon in the meta just to check other potentially broken pokemon, otherwise neither murkrow/gligar/misdreavus/tite/swirlix/yanma should have been banned since all of them had direct advantage over mienfoo, and then mienfoo was very solid...

Darumaka Fire -- Sheer Force, Inner Focus, Hustle Stat Spread: 65 HP / 90 Atk/ 40 Def / 15 SpA / 40 SpD / 65 Spe Move reductions: Hammer Arm, Thrash Move additions: Body Slam While keeping the same BST and attack stat, Darumaka has part of not so relevant defenses redirected into speed...

Aron Steel/Ground -- Abilities: Sturdy, Rock Head, Filter Stat Spread: 55 HP / 75 Atk / 80 Def / 30 SpA / 45 SpD / 20 Spe (305 BST) Move reductions: Superpower, Dragon Rush, Roar, Toxic, Rain Dance, Sunny Day, Ancient Power, Rock Polish Move additions: Brick Break, Pain Split, Rapid Spin...

Zangoose - Zankit Normal type -- Toxic Boost | Immunity Stat Spread: 48 HP / 65 Atk / 40 Def / 40 SpA / 40 SpD / 65 Spe (298 BST) Move reductions: Swords Dance, Close Combat, Focus Blast, Solarbeam Zangoose would make an interesting normal type in an LC version. Despites it's low defenses...

Munchlax @ Berry Juice Ability: Thick Fat Level: 5 EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD Adamant Nature - Body Slam - Fire Punch - Curse - Recycle 184+ SpA Snover Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Munchlax: 7-10 (23.3 - 33.3%) -- 15.4% chance to 3HKO after hail damage (7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9...