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Those were some really bad/strange plays he made with bisharp.

It wasn't that bad tbh, he stayed in 2 turns where he shouldn't have without a doubt, but sometimes switching seems like a bad idea because you could let them get behind a sub. When you're outside or watching the battle after the fact those kind of things seem more obvious.

No one is arguing it takes no skill, the main point is that it takes very little skill when compared to anything else. Anyone disputing this point is...well I won't stoop so low as name calling. If simulating the actual game was the aim of showdown, you would be completely justified with your...

I hate playing against Deosharp, but to say that it takes the same amount of skill to use as baton pass is a gross mischaracterization. Baton pass teams are by far easier to rack up wins with. No other playstyle or team type offers as many guaranteed win scenarios based on team preview alone as...

This replay proved nothing except that if there were a rating cap for this discussion you wouldn't be allowed in here. BP still requires SOME amount of skill, even if its less than other playstyles. You have to at least know not to let your scolipede get nuked by Nidoking and not to send special...

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-110739069 This has already been posted, but I really think more people need to watch this. Stall gets murdered by baton pass and in this case the stall player is: carrying not one but TWO counters to baton pass (Haze Quagsire and Clear Smog Amoonguss)...

I'm currently at 1600 on the ladder and Baton Pass is hardly a rarity there. I would estimate 1/5 matches I face a baton pass team. Either I have really bad luck or you have really good luck. .

Haze Quagsire at best checks most Baton Pass teams, agreed. He isn't eating Hyper voices from Sylveon or any stab hits from espeon even with unaware. Fact remains that he is the only anti- baton pass mon that can actually be useful in normal games too.

Thundurus and Mega Pinsir at best check baton pass. Espeon can easily set up in Thundurus's face and its presence on the team means that you can't taunt without the worry of it being bounced back, setting you back more turns and giving them more time to set up. Mega Pinsir is easily killed by...

I am seriously tired of losing to baton pass teams. If the player is even semi-competent it is impossible to win unless carrying a dedicated niche counter, and I shouldn't have to run haze Quagsire on every team I make. Seriously, when the best counters people can come up with are Shedninja...

Have to agree here, the available counters to baton pass are very limited and on top of that aren't even that reliable. I feel some form of complex nerf is in order because as it is it is overpowered and limits team building.

This teams makes me cry just looking at it. Great team, great team name and a good read in general.

This team is great and after using it I completely fell in love with substitute Aegislash.

CBB gets my vote. This Dragonite handles itself very well in the current meta.

As soon as you get relatively high up on the ladder (1600-1700 range) hyper offense like this, especially Deoxys-D/Bisharp core is everywhere. Really hard to deal with.