People actually dunk like that on GSC Chikorita tho.
Sure, it's way better than advertised, but GSC Chikorita is really not that good. I definitely understand why people would take a dump on HGSS Chikorita too, but at least that one ain't using Razor Leaf for STAB forever.
As for Charmander... I'm more than ready to have that discussion.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...ame-tiers-reboot.3666304/page-10#post-8597607
Uhhhhhh, that post defended Chikorita tho. What are you talking about? lmao.
Bayleef evolves at Lv. 32. Literally 2 levels after Croconaw.
Charizard, at least in RBY learned the grand total of the one Dragon move it had, and it was Dragon Rage. Via TM. lol no.
People diss Zard for the Flying type too. Remember the "Not a Dragon" jokes?
Honestly, I kinda see the appeal of a dragon-looking lizard, even though it has a dad bod that'd make Chairman Rose look like he got a 6-pack and noodle arms.
Charmander is outright the worst starter against Brock. Sure, he can't beat you because that horrid AI is going to make it a luck-based battle. Don't act like resisted Ember off Charmander is anything less than an 8HKO. Even Vine Whip-less Bulbasaur is going to do better because Leech Seed is a win condition in a war of attrition.
FRLG Charmander vs Brock is straight-up embarrassing too. Pull up with Metal Claw thinking you're gonna do a ton of damage against Onix's ridic Base Defense. Reality will come crashing down like a Rock Tomb when that lizard goes splat. There's a reason they kept Mankey and Double Kick Nidoran before Brock.