I mostly agree, but
Edit: I understand that most people want it to move down to B or even B-, so maybe it should just stay in B+. It's definitely a stiff mon with one role and one role only, but I think it performs it's role pretty well.
Echoing this post. Been seeing Orb pretty consistently recently, it's doing very good for itself and can pick & choose which target to delete with Tera Blast very effectively. I'd honestly swap it and Zorua's placement.Voltorb to B+
VR just got updated and it moved down to B-. How?
No seriously how.
20 speed ties Diglett and outspeeds Girafarig . You have access to Taunt, Volt Switch, and Thunderbolt which are all exceedingly valuable. You can also tera type into Bug or Ice to be able to deal with Diglett, Girafarig and Toedscool.
40 HP, 50 Defense, 55 special defense is really good combined with eviolite, especially when Voltorb is so fast that its quite hard to hit. Having Diglett level speed is always valuable.
Not being scarf locked is also really nice, as your biggest competition is Magnemite who needs the scarf to be able to function.
Its not perfect, but it deserves more recognition.
Zorua is one the few mons with knock off in the tier, which is invaluable in addition to its dark typing, giving it a really strong attack to hit opponents with.Echoing this post. Been seeing Orb pretty consistently recently, it's doing very good for itself and can pick & choose which target to delete with Tera Blast very effectively. I'd honestly swap it and Zorua's placement.
I've actually had lots of success with avalanche on base form wooper, especially against the very popular toedscruel. He also sets up spikes, which admittedly isn't too useful because of spin quax, but it does often deter or even threaten a kill on a quax or toedscruel switching in to spin.Wooper C -> B-
To be honest I think this mon deserves a little more credit. Its BST isn't the most desirable, but it does have some nice qualities that can get some good value in a match.
- First, it has a nice typing. With the typing defense profile, you can switch in on mons like Magnemite and Pawniard and it's pretty hard for them to touch you, while you threaten them out with your Ground STAB. You resist Pawniards Iron Head, Brick Break won't hurt too bad. Pawn also doesn't always fit Night Slash into the moveset. Additionally, you're basically untouchable to a Magnemite, resisting one STAB and being immune to the other.
- Second, Unaware. This is an excellent ability to have, as you can shut down things like Agility Bulk Up Rufflet and the occasional Swords Dance Pawniard or a screens team.
- It has Stealth Rock, Spikes, and reliable recovery in Recover so if you run a mon like Pawniard on the same team as Wooper, the Pawniard is free from having to carry rocks.
- Annoying utility like Yawn and Haze can make this mon very nice to have on the team.
I think Wooper could belong in B-, because tbh I think some of the mons in B- are worse than Wooper (Slowpoke and Numel stand out to me, even if I love using Numel on Sun)
Idk about poop woop cause you're suddenly weak to Diglett but maybe it has something good? Its very easy to forget about
I don't support a rise with this mon, although the qualities mentioned are pretty nice, it has a pretty obvious weakness, that terrible speed stat. While this can be solved with rattled, your max speed is 11, so x 1.5 is a 16.5, rounding down to 16. This still means Gimmighoul is outsped by really good mons like max speed drifloon, gastly, scarfers, girafarig, etc, meaning you'd need to activate Rattled twice just to outspeed some mons. (You still are outsped by already fast scarfers too) Its defenses and offensive power can't be abused well because of this speed, making it a poor optionI think people might have been overlooking gimmighoul . It has base 70 defenses and 75 sp attack. Along with a base 40 hp with a good defensive type can mean it can take a hit . Along with being pure ghost it has spin immunities and can set up screens without brick break attempting to respond . This Mon gets stab shadow ball , power gem, light screen, reflect, protect, substitute, Tera blast . I think this Mon deserves some consideration and experimentation. I will update this later once I have more details .
Shroodle isn't really that much of a threat at the moment. Many other Pokemon get access to Swords Dance and they use it way more effectively, for example Diglett or Pawniard. Black Sludge is considered unviable since passive recovery doesn't give much with LC numbers, you would be much better off running Eviolite for the added bulk or Berry Juice for the ability to heal back up to full after surviving a hit with below half health. It's best set? Prankster as a secondary weather setter or screens. Otherwise? Not really that good.I am not sure most lc players know but shroodle has prankster which can be invaluable. It also gets swords dance , poison jab, parting shot , super fang and toxic . It also gets trailblaze, u turn , pounce , acrobatics , encore, taunt ,substitute , thief (which can mess up Pokémon that require a certain item being necessary on their set )and weather setting . Also guessing the 50/50 between unburden or prankster is troublesome and guessing wrong could result in a bad result .also stab facade is strong . It has base 65 attack and has base 75 speed . It also is only outsped by buizel which means it can focus into a defensive or more offensive spread . Regardless it needs little to no speed investment .
My best guess is that for unburden set
Shroodle@iron ball/normal gem/toxic orb/ black sludge
fling
Swords dance
Posion jab
Acrobatics
Or for prankster
Shroodle@black sludge
toxic
Paritng shot\tuant
Substitute
Protect \ Tera blast \ encore
And compared to other prankster mons , impadimp while a solid mon , shroodle is able to deal more with psychical damage . And the only other prankster mon in the tier is riolu. It only uses prankster to set up so shroodle should have a unique niche in the tier.
just to note: Tera is still in work ,dark gives a immunity from a once weakness and makes the Mon prankster immune . It also could be Tera ice to hit toedscruel,digglet and mudbray hard
As a prankster user, I personally think Impidimp outclasses it. It also gets parting shot, thief and taunt. But it also importantly gets light screen reflect and thunder wave, which are really good moves for a prankster pokemon. Add on the fact that it has better typing and I just think it’s a better prankster pokemon. Shroodle is definetly better offensively though.I am not sure most lc players know but shroodle has prankster which can be invaluable. It also gets swords dance , poison jab, parting shot , super fang and toxic . It also gets trailblaze, u turn , pounce , acrobatics , encore, taunt ,substitute , thief (which can mess up Pokémon that require a certain item being necessary on their set )and weather setting . Also guessing the 50/50 between unburden or prankster is troublesome and guessing wrong could result in a bad result .also stab facade is strong . It has base 65 attack and has base 75 speed . It also is only outsped by buizel which means it can focus into a defensive or more offensive spread . Regardless it needs little to no speed investment .
My best guess is that for unburden set
Shroodle@iron ball/normal gem/toxic orb/
fling
Swords dance
Posion jab
Acrobatics
Or for prankster
Shroodle@oranberry
toxic
Paritng shot\tuant
Substitute/ knock off
Protect \ Tera blast \ encore
And compared to other prankster mons , impadimp while a solid mon , shroodle is able to deal more with psychical damage . And the only other prankster mon in the tier is riolu. It only uses prankster to set up so shroodle should have a unique niche in the tier.
just to note: Tera is still in work ,dark gives a immunity from a once weakness and makes the Mon prankster immune . It also could be Tera ice to hit toedscruel,digglet and mudbray hard
These pokemon definitely have a place to shine, but that place isnt in regular SV LC.Untiered -> on this list somewhere!
Wiglett doesn't need arena trap, it OHKOs almost anything with the circumstances I mentioned.These pokemon definitely have a place to shine, but that place isnt in regular SV LC.
If youre really interested in using them you'd have to play SV LCRU instead.
Wiglett is incredibly weak and doesnt have arena trap like diglett so there's really no reason to use it.
Rolycoly server as a fire block + rapid spinner, neither are required in SV LC currently.
Larvitar's 4x weakness to both grass and water makes it unusable. Every team has a rapid spinner and the rapid spinners are usually Quax and Toedscool. You could use tera to not die immediately, but what do you actually gain from that? The mon doesnt have the power to sweep like it wants to.
you heard it from meAlso drop Nymble, you didn't hear it from me though
No offense, but a lot of new players seem to misunderstand the ideas of the Viability rankings.Wiglett doesn't need arena trap, it OHKOs almost anything with the circumstances I mentioned.
Also, the thing about larvitar vs. quad and toed doesn't add up. I did the calcs. After a Dragon Dance, larvitar outspeeds quaxly, so it's most likely gonna aqua jet.
252+ Atk Life Orb Quaxly Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Normal Larvitar: 105-125 (43.5 - 51.8%) -- 8.6% chance to 2HKO
So Life Orb Quax 2HKOs on a good day. Meanwhile, Guts-boosted 2x tera stab facade:
252 Atk Guts Tera Normal Larvitar Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Quaxly: 22-27 (100 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
also, toed's standard set is spikes, spin, spore, and knock. No grass moves except for the rare power whip, which has terrible accuracy.
also, toed's standard set is spikes, spin, spore, and knock. No grass moves except for the rare power whip, which has terrible accuracy.
in current meta using a mon weak to stealth rocks defensively is not a good idea seeing as how good of a spinblocker gastly and even greavard to a certain extent is. at best venonat can be a physical attacker that u have no reason to use over nymble which in my mind makes me believe that it does not belong on the vr as you miss out on very crucial stuff like first impression and u turn.more of a meme then anything but imma put it here bc i can,
-> C- or C
a really niche pick but i've been having some fun with it, venonat, similarly to nymble, gets the tinted lens ability. however, unlike nymble, it doesn't get first impression, a great move in it's arsenal. though let's look at the numbers, venonat has higher stats in every category except speed, where they both fall under the 45 speed tier. venonat also gets the move poison fang, a move that has a 50% chance of badly poisoning the opponent, aswell as protect to stall out screens and weathers alike.
basically what I'm tryna get at is that, i don't consider venonat superior to nymble. more like a side-grade, exchanging the assination skills of first impression for much higher bulk and damage output. like a wallbreaker of sorts, being able to consistently toxic the opponent whilst being able to hit them with tinted lens boosted moves in the same turn.
236+ Atk Life Orb Tinted Lens Venonat Leech Life vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Sandygast: 8-10 (36.3 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after toxic damage
236+ Atk Life Orb Tinted Lens Venonat Leech Life vs. 0 HP / 140 Def Eviolite Crabrawler: 8-10 (38 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after toxic damage
236+ Atk Life Orb Venonat Leech Life vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Pawniard: 9-12 (42.8 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
Probably C-D tier at best. Scorbunny dies very quickly in practice, and it requires a lot of prediction to be effective. It's not seen in high-level play for good reason.Just wondering;
Where is scorbunny placed?
my guess is b+ or a- maybe a
you should probably also take into account the immediate rise of hisui-zorua, an, arguably more dangerous gastly with similar speed and a better typing in normal/ghost, and the prominence of crabrawler as the premium fighter running ice punch to deal with toedscool anyway.Now that Gastly is out, I feel like Bramblin is more viable. It is a spinner that blocks spin. Knock Off is fairly rare. It's ability makes it a switch in to Hurricane and Tailwind so no fear of Wattrell etc. Toedscool is popular ans rightfully so but I liked using Bramblin with Strength Sap. (Semi-reliable recovery but in LC it's good enough with a lot of physicial attackers.)