@khz
Admittedly, I wrote several of those posts a little more tired than I should be. Although I think of shoddy as a pokemon simulator first;
From the shoddy battle website:
"Welcome to the Shoddy Battle web site!
Shoddy Battle is the most popular pokemon simulator, a program that allows you to play pokemon matches with other people over the internet. We are affiliated with Smogon and have a forum there for discussion of the program. Click here for more information about the program, or here for some (outdated) screenshots."
I do think that banning wobbuffet is such an alteration. However, when it comes to how to determine what should be banned, Wobbuffet is a perfect example. Wobbuffet is Uber. It can't be countered, and it guarentees a kill if not more. Everyone needed a wobbuffet to win I've heard. It was highly overcentralizing. And it was banned.
Now, it's also a perfect example of the danger of banning. We started with Wobbuffet, which was banned because it was clearly Uber. Then we moved onto Garchomp, which is not as clearly Uber. Now we are on Salamence, which may or may not be the best pokemon in OU. But it isn't nearly as Uber as garchomp, nor as overcentralizing. You are right to point out how banning even one pokemon outside of that criteria is damaging. If we use the battle tower criteria, at the very least we are consistent, and only fragment it into Uber and standard, as opposed to Uber, standard with Garchomp, standard without Garchomp, Free for all with explosion clause but no evasion clause, etc.
@Binary - a Psuedo-legendary team is not an Uber team, it's a standard team according to the games. Thus the problem with bans, you say Uber, I say no and find someone else who agrees and use that server/ruleset with them, pretty soon we're all fragmented. I've already seen it with Garchomp, which was much more bannable, and I'm sure there will be another drop-off if you get rid of Salamence.
And Garchomp is very popular on the sites I visit. They don't hold standard tournaments without Garchomp explicitly being allowed, even if they do participate in shoddy.
Admittedly, I wrote several of those posts a little more tired than I should be. Although I think of shoddy as a pokemon simulator first;
From the shoddy battle website:
"Welcome to the Shoddy Battle web site!
Shoddy Battle is the most popular pokemon simulator, a program that allows you to play pokemon matches with other people over the internet. We are affiliated with Smogon and have a forum there for discussion of the program. Click here for more information about the program, or here for some (outdated) screenshots."
I do think that banning wobbuffet is such an alteration. However, when it comes to how to determine what should be banned, Wobbuffet is a perfect example. Wobbuffet is Uber. It can't be countered, and it guarentees a kill if not more. Everyone needed a wobbuffet to win I've heard. It was highly overcentralizing. And it was banned.
Now, it's also a perfect example of the danger of banning. We started with Wobbuffet, which was banned because it was clearly Uber. Then we moved onto Garchomp, which is not as clearly Uber. Now we are on Salamence, which may or may not be the best pokemon in OU. But it isn't nearly as Uber as garchomp, nor as overcentralizing. You are right to point out how banning even one pokemon outside of that criteria is damaging. If we use the battle tower criteria, at the very least we are consistent, and only fragment it into Uber and standard, as opposed to Uber, standard with Garchomp, standard without Garchomp, Free for all with explosion clause but no evasion clause, etc.
@Binary - a Psuedo-legendary team is not an Uber team, it's a standard team according to the games. Thus the problem with bans, you say Uber, I say no and find someone else who agrees and use that server/ruleset with them, pretty soon we're all fragmented. I've already seen it with Garchomp, which was much more bannable, and I'm sure there will be another drop-off if you get rid of Salamence.
And Garchomp is very popular on the sites I visit. They don't hold standard tournaments without Garchomp explicitly being allowed, even if they do participate in shoddy.