Choice Specs Meganium + OO + C&C [QC 0/2]

[5Dots]

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[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Ancient Power
item: Choice Specs
ability: Overgrow
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Meganium functions as a surprising yet effective wallbreaker with Choice Specs, rattling bulky Pokemon like Grumpig and Clefairy with high-powered Leaf Storms. Giga Drain gives extra longevity and does not proc Defense drops, unlike Leaf Storm. Hidden Power Fire lures and KOs Wormadam-T and Leafeon after Stealth Rock, while also 2HKOing Ivysuar and Gloom. Hidden Power Ground 2HKOs Muk and Arbok while still hitting Simisear and Pawniard. Ancient Power functions as its strongest option against Emolga and Vullaby. A Timid set allows it to Speed tie with Grumpig and Arbok, though Modest packs as much power as possible at the cost of missing the aforementioned benchmarks.

Physical sweepers and attackers like Arbok and Kingler greatly appreciate Meganium breaking down walls like Wormadam-T and Frillish; in return, they can deal with Meganium's traditional checks, like Muk and Munchlax. Without defensive investment, Meganium requires more support to hit the field safely; VoltTurn pivots like Persian and Mienfoo can preserve its health to fire off attacks without risk. In return, Meganium can surprise Grass-types expecting its standard defensive set like Leafeon and Ivysaur and can facilitate the aforementioned physical attackers in sweeping mid- to late-game.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Hidden Power Ice on the Choice Specs set functions as a good midground option against Emolga, Ivysaur, and Wormadam-S, but Hidden Power Fire and Ground offer more relevant targets.

Checks and Counters
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**Poison-types**: Poison-types like Muk, Arbok, and Ivysaur can tank anything defensive Meganium can do and threaten it out with their STAB attacks, though the former two dislike switching into Ground-type coverage and the latter hates switching into Hidden Power Fire.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types like Simisear, Lampent, and Flareon, resist Meganium's Grass-type coverage and can set up or attack against defensive variants, though it dislikes switching into Ground-type coverage.

**Physical Wallbreakers and Revenge Killers**: Physical wallbreakers like Persian, Slaking, and Choice Band Exploud can strike at Meganium's lower physical bulk, with the former two outspeeding even its offensive sets, especially when Meganium has been worn down. However, none of them enjoy switching in.

 

[Gangsta Spongebob]

Good job, QC 1/2 when implemented

QC: 1/2

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[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Ancient Power
item: Choice Specs
ability: Overgrow
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Meganium functions as a surprising yet effective wallbreaker with Choice Specs, rattling bulky Pokemon like Grumpig and Clefairy which Clefairy? I can't imagine sp def taking too much with high-powered Leaf Storms. Mention KO thresholds where Leaf Storm matters. Giga Drain gives extra longevity and does not proc Defense drops drop Meganium's Special Attack, unlike Leaf Storm. Hidden Power Fire lures and KOs OHKO? if so specify that Wormadam-T Wormadam-S and Leafeon after Stealth Rock, while also 2HKOing Ivysuar and Gloom. Hidden Power Ground 2HKOs Muk and Arbok while still hitting Simisear and Pawniard. Mention XHKOes here too Ancient Power functions as its strongest option against Emolga and Vullaby. A Timid set allows it to Speed tie with Grumpig and Arbok, Mention foes it outspeeds that Modest doesn't, like Jolly Kingler though Modest packs as much power as possible at the cost of missing the aforementioned benchmarks.

Physical sweepers and attackers like Arbok and Kingler greatly appreciate Meganium breaking down walls like Wormadam-T and Frillish; in return, they can deal with Meganium's traditional checks, like Muk and Munchlax. Without defensive investment, Meganium requires more support to hit the field safely; VoltTurn pivots like Persian and Mienfoo can preserve its health to fire off attacks without risk. In return, Meganium can surprise Grass-types expecting its standard defensive set like Leafeon and Ivysaur and can help facilitate the aforementioned physical attackers in sweeping mid- to late-game. Mention walls that can switch into foes Meganium is forced out by. Mention teammates specific to Meganium's choice of coverage.

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[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Hidden Power Ice on the Choice Specs set functions as a good midground option against Emolga, Ivysaur, and Wormadam-S, Ground? That's Wormadam-G but Hidden Power Fire and Ground offer hit more relevant targets.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Poison-types**: Poison-types like Muk, Arbok, and Ivysaur can tank anything defensive Meganium can do and threaten it out with their STAB attacks, though the former two dislike switching into Ground-type coverage and the latter hates switching into Hidden Power Fire.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types like Simisear, Lampent, and Flareon, resist Meganium's Grass-type coverage and can set up or attack against defensive variants, though it dislikes switching into Ground-type coverage.

**Physical Wallbreakers and Revenge Killers**: Physical wallbreakers like Persian, Slaking, and Choice Band Exploud can strike at Meganium's lower physical bulk, with the former two outspeeding even its offensive sets, especially when Meganium has been worn down. However, none of them enjoy switching in.

Mention Flying-types, Ice-types, and walls, though most don't beat all of Meganium's sets. Also mention Steel-types as walls.

 

[sleid]

5Dots asked someone to take over this analysis in #zu_workshop. implementing qc is still WIP

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ground
move 4: Ancient Power
item: Choice Specs
ability: Overgrow
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Meganium functions as a surprising yet effective wallbreaker with Choice Specs, rattling bulky Pokemon like Grumpig and physically defensive Clefairy with high-powered Leaf Storms. Giga Drain gives extra longevity and does not drop Meganium's Special Attack, unlike Leaf Storm. However, it doesn't pick up the 2HKO on the aforementioned Pokemon, or the OHKO on the likes of Lairon and Pelipper. Hidden Power Fire lures and OHKOs Wormadam-S and Leafeon after Stealth Rock, while also 2HKOing Ivysuar and Gloom. Hidden Power Ground 2HKOs Muk and Arbok while also getting the OHKO on Simisear and Pawniard after Stealth Rock damage, however the latter is hit by Hidden Power Fire as well. Ancient Power functions as its strongest option against Emolga and Vullaby. A Timid set allows it to Speed tie with Grumpig and Arbok as well as outspeed threats it doesn't with Modest like Jolly Kingler and Luxray. However, Modest packs as much power as possible whereas Timid would miss out on the aforementioned benchmarks.

Physical sweepers and attackers like Arbok and Kingler greatly appreciate Meganium breaking down walls like Wormadam-T and Frillish; in return, they can deal with Meganium's traditional checks, like Muk and Munchlax. Without defensive investment, Meganium requires more support to hit the field safely; VoltTurn pivots like Persian and Mienfoo can preserve its health to fire off attacks without risk. In return, Meganium can surprise Grass-types expecting its standard defensive set like Leafeon and Ivysaur and help facilitate the aforementioned physical attackers in sweeping mid- to late-game. Muk and Clefairy can make great partners since they can take on special attackers that threaten Meganiu like Simisear, Ivysaur, and Gastly. Wormadam-S and Solrock can help Meganium take care threatening phsyical attackers that it has a hard time dealing with like Arbok, Muk and Shelgon. When choosing between Hidden Power types, Meganium has to be aware that it becomes weaker to certain matchups. When it comes to using Hidden Power Fire, it has a better matchup into Leafeon, but struggles into Arbok, and vice versa. This is helpful when deciding on partners to help cover this weakness, like Vullaby to handle Leafeon and Hippopotas to deal with Arbok.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
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Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/gangsta-spongebob.535530/

Grammar checked by:


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Hidden Power Ice on the Choice Specs set functions as a good midground option against Emolga, Ivysaur, and Wormadam-G, but Hidden Power Fire and Ground hit more relevant targets.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Poison-types**: Poison-types like Muk, Arbok, and Ivysaur can tank anything defensive Meganium can do and threaten it out with their STAB attacks, though the former two dislike switching into Ground-type coverage and the latter hates switching into Hidden Power Fire.

**Fire-types**: Fire-types like Simisear, Lampent, and Flareon, resist Meganium's Grass-type coverage and can set up or attack against defensive variants, though it dislikes switching into Ground-type coverage.

**Flying-types**: The likes of Emolga, Pelipper, and Vullaby can switch-in and bother majority of Meganium's sets since they can threaten it with super effective moves or just sit on it entirely. However, they have to be weary of coming into a Choice Specs Leaf Storm or Ancient Power.

**Ice-types**: Glaceon can OHKO Meganium's Specially Defensive set after Stealth Rock damage, whereas Walrein can win the 1v1 if it comes in safely, plus it can lock it into Synthesis with Encore. Both have trouble coming in on offensive Meganium, but Glaceon can beat Meganium Sword Dance set.

**Walls**: Steel-types like Pawniard, Lairon, and Wormadam-S can freely use moves against Specially Defensive Meganium without fear of being punished back. However, they can all be threatened by offensive sets since they carry super effective coverage moves, aside from Wormadam-T who can handle Swords Dance Meganium, but not Hidden Power Fire from its Choice Specs set. Specially defensive Clefairy and Muk both can sit on Meganium's Specially Defensive and Choice Specs set without issue, however they can't do well at taking hits from its Sword Dance set unless Clefairy its physical set.

**Physical Wallbreakers and Revenge Killers**: Physical wallbreakers like Persian, Slaking, and Choice Band Exploud can strike at Meganium's lower physical bulk, with the former two outspeeding even its offensive sets, especially when Meganium has been worn down. However, none of them enjoy switching in.