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Project Next Best Thing: USUM UU (Week 45: Jellicent - Submissions)
- Thread starter Sickist
- Start date
Scizorphobic and Twilight
DraconicLepus
Scizorphobic
Scizorphobic
Draco and Misa
Phobic and Draconic ! :]
Papabi and Draconic
Darksafadao
best of the second options
Draconic - 8
Papabisexual - 3
Misa - 3
Scizorphobic - 3
Twilight - 3
Moutemoute - 2
With this, DraconicLepus wins this week. Congrats!
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This week we've decided to pick a Pokemon that is one of the first gen favorites and is always scary when it starts setting up curses: Snorlax. However, to see what else Snorlax has to offer, the following sets are blacklisted:
Submissions are due to Friday, have fun!
Papabisexual - 3
Misa - 3
Scizorphobic - 3
Twilight - 3
Moutemoute - 2
With this, DraconicLepus wins this week. Congrats!
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This week we've decided to pick a Pokemon that is one of the first gen favorites and is always scary when it starts setting up curses: Snorlax. However, to see what else Snorlax has to offer, the following sets are blacklisted:
Snorlax @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Facade
- Recycle
- Fire Punch / Earthquake
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Facade
- Recycle
- Fire Punch / Earthquake
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Return / Body Slam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk / Fire Punch / Earthquake
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Return / Body Slam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk / Fire Punch / Earthquake
Snorlax @ Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpD / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpD / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
Submissions are due to Friday, have fun!
2002 (Snorlax) (F) @ Iapapa Berry / Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Block
Case and point— trapping is broken . This set takes advantage of wish mons trying to pass before going into their counter, passive toxic mons hoping it’s papalax, etc. Pairs well with pursuit mons like Maero and Scarf Krookodile, since ghosts wall this set. Lefties make setting up easier but Iapapa let you bluff papalax.
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Snorlax @ Mago Berry
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 Atk / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Recycle
- Return / Facade
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
Belly Drum Snorlax is smth which looks pretty fun to use. Thanks to its natural Special Bulk, Snorlax is able to check threats like Latias, Hydreigon or Manectric-Mega. It can also act as a really dangerous threat once it Belly Drum. Recycle allows it to bring back is berry which means it has a great Staying Power. Return is a great STAB while Earthquake deals with Steel, Rock and Ghost Types. 44 EV in Speed allows Snorlax to ouspeed Doublade and Palossand. Since Snorlax has already a good Special Bulk, the remaining EV are put in Defense to increase its Physical Bulk.
Screech Snorlax
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Facade/Return
- Pursuit
- Screech
- Fire Punch
I really love Screech because it acts like a Swords Dance suited to slow monsters that are easily forced out. Now, we are able to balance the detrimental effect of burn somehow or supporting our team when we are on the verge of being knocked out. 85% accuracy is acceptable for a powerful effect like this one, so it is worth trying alongside Screech.
If we are able to avoid being burned, we don't really need many coverage options because the -2 Def turns our neutral hits into supereffective ones.
Leftovers are here to have some recovery but I don't have any other idea; suggestions?
An investment of 8 Speed EVs allows Fire Punch Snorlax to outspeed and OHKO 84 Speed Escavalier before taking damage.
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Facade/Return
- Pursuit
- Screech
- Fire Punch
I really love Screech because it acts like a Swords Dance suited to slow monsters that are easily forced out. Now, we are able to balance the detrimental effect of burn somehow or supporting our team when we are on the verge of being knocked out. 85% accuracy is acceptable for a powerful effect like this one, so it is worth trying alongside Screech.
If we are able to avoid being burned, we don't really need many coverage options because the -2 Def turns our neutral hits into supereffective ones.
Leftovers are here to have some recovery but I don't have any other idea; suggestions?
An investment of 8 Speed EVs allows Fire Punch Snorlax to outspeed and OHKO 84 Speed Escavalier before taking damage.
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Snorlax @ Chople Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return / Body Slam
- Counter
- Rest
- Pursuit / Fire Punch / Earthquake
So this set acts as a revenge killer and a lure by exploiting its one weakness but still being an effective answer to the speically offensive threats such as Latias, Chandelure etc. Chople berry was opted to handle the prominent threats in the tier being CB Scizor and Terrakion but also being able to eat a CC from +1 Kommo-o, +2 Cobalion, Guts Heracross and +2 Superpower Scizor and OHKO them back. You do however miss out on an OHKO against uninvested Infernape and Kommo-o but you can still retaliate with a decent chunk of damage. The opted ability is Thick Fat to better eat Ice and Fire attacks as the other two abilities don't do anything for this set. The defence evs means you will always take 50% from CB Scizor and be able to OHKO it back then the rest was thrown into SpD.
Return is the main form of stab but Body Slam can be opted too. Rest as a form of recovery as this set otherwise lacks it. The last slot is honestly up to you Pursuit for trapping Latias and Chandelure or use another form of coverage.
Return is the main form of stab but Body Slam can be opted too. Rest as a form of recovery as this set otherwise lacks it. The last slot is honestly up to you Pursuit for trapping Latias and Chandelure or use another form of coverage.
252 Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 348-409 (66.4 - 78%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Cobalion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 370-436 (70.6 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 355-418 (67.7 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 349-411 (66.6 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 262-309 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Kommo-o Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 318-375 (60.6 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
168 Atk Life Orb Infernape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 247-292 (47.1 - 55.7%) -- 77.7% chance to 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Cobalion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 370-436 (70.6 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 355-418 (67.7 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 349-411 (66.6 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 262-309 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Kommo-o Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 318-375 (60.6 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
168 Atk Life Orb Infernape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 112 Def Chople Berry Snorlax: 247-292 (47.1 - 55.7%) -- 77.7% chance to 2HKO
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Snorlax @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return/Earthquake
- Toxic
- Whirlwind
- Recycle
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return/Earthquake
- Toxic
- Whirlwind
- Recycle
This spin on the Papa set allows Snorlax to behave as more of a steadfast wall than the wincon of the team. Return is the Main STAB that can be used to attack but Earthquake should be noted as an option here due to the likes of Gengar and Chandelure, as well as hitting Infernape harder. Due to whirlwind, its presence is less passive than similar normal special walls like P2 and Blissey since it isn't set up on by things like Suicune, Togekiss, or Chandelure. It can even act as a very effective soft check to many setup sweepers like the above and others like Celebi and Latias using it's whirlwind, making it a fantastic asset to more defensive teams. This set uses the normal Papalax spread since that spread has perks like handling specs Primarina and having a good shot at stomaching Infernape's Close Combat.
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2002 (Snorlax) (F) @ Iapapa Berry / Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Block
Ability: Thick Fat
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Frustration
- Rest
- Block
Snorlax @ Mago Berry
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 Atk / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Recycle
- Return / Facade
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 Atk / 212 Def / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Recycle
- Return / Facade
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Facade/Return
- Pursuit
- Screech
- Fire Punch
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Facade/Return
- Pursuit
- Screech
- Fire Punch
Snorlax @ Chople Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return / Body Slam
- Counter
- Rest
- Pursuit / Fire Punch / Earthquake
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return / Body Slam
- Counter
- Rest
- Pursuit / Fire Punch / Earthquake
Snorlax @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return / Earthquake
- Toxic
- Whirlwind
- Recycle
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
Careful Nature
- Return / Earthquake
- Toxic
- Whirlwind
- Recycle
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Screech Snorlax !
Toxic then the whooosh
screech
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