Problem is it really needs sun, so you have to use Ninetales which is 100x worse than Politoed/tyranitarAnyway, anyone think Jibaku's old 4th gen Ubers team (Vulcan Fury) would work well in the current metagame?? Latias/Heatran is a deadly as hell combo.
I didn't say the guy was wrong. However, I am saying that his argument was irrelevant. By using his logic, I could say that Octillery is not broken because it was fine last Gen. But that would be wrong. It's not about who's right. It's about WHY they're right.Hmm... please enlighten me about how Drizzle and Shadow Tag aren't broken this gen then. Not trying to sound like a douche, seriously. I simply think the guy had a point.
Then you are right for this point. You cannot ban something basing arguments on previous gens. But there are multiple different reasons why Drizzle should be banned.I didn't say the guy was wrong. However, I am saying that his argument was irrelevant. By using his logic, I could say that Octillery is not broken because it was fine last Gen. But that would be wrong. It's not about who's right. It's about WHY they're right.
The thing about Drizzle is that the only "counters" are Wobbuffet in tandem with another weather.Then you are right for this point. You cannot ban something basing arguments on previous gens. But there are multiple different reasons why Drizzle should be banned.
Hmm you may be on to something. Perhaps most of the popular OU pokemon are just weak to rain. Perhaps if more people looked for more obscure pokes to use, it wouldn't be that bad....?I think everyone's overreacting yet again like Inconsistent last round, but this time with Rain. Yes, it is powerful, yes it is a tough strategy to defeat, but if you think outside the box you can find ways to beat it. My current team (I haven't tested it a whole lot so hopefully I don't jynx it) handles Rain pretty well, almost effortlessly. Rain used to cause panic everytime I saw it but not so much anymore. I wouldn't say the team is over centralized (a stupid term) to beat Rain either, but if Rain is a big part of the metagame, then it makes sense to prepare for it. Rain is looking more and more OU to me every game.
You can only expect the majority to react badly to such a hyper offensive playstyle.I think everyone's overreacting yet again like Inconsistent last round, but this time with Rain. Yes, it is powerful, yes it is a tough strategy to defeat, but if you think outside the box you can find ways to beat it. My current team (I haven't tested it a whole lot so hopefully I don't jynx it) handles Rain pretty well, almost effortlessly. Rain used to cause panic everytime I saw it but not so much anymore. I wouldn't say the team is over centralized (a stupid term) to beat Rain either, but if Rain is a big part of the metagame, then it makes sense to prepare for it. Rain is looking more and more OU to me every game.
Meh, I don't think rain broken. I just think it's hard to deal with.I think everyone's overreacting yet again like Inconsistent last round, but this time with Rain. Yes, it is powerful, yes it is a tough strategy to defeat, but if you think outside the box you can find ways to beat it. My current team (I haven't tested it a whole lot so hopefully I don't jynx it) handles Rain pretty well, almost effortlessly. Rain used to cause panic everytime I saw it but not so much anymore. I wouldn't say the team is over centralized (a stupid term) to beat Rain either, but if Rain is a big part of the metagame, then it makes sense to prepare for it. Rain is looking more and more OU to me every game.
So basically,everyone would need to carry something to sacrifice itself and then something to change the weather....What?Kyogre was banned for a reason as well... why? - In 4th Gen?
Its base stats were monstrous, and was unfit for OU. Politoed cannot compare to Kyogre and the only reason it would hit OU was the godlike ability - Drizzle.
I think someone posted this but let me say this - Skarmory and Blissey was used in 4th gen A WHOLE LOT. It was difficult to counter and you will think twice before throwing a electric, fire or any special moves at Blissey. You will cross your head as Skarmory rampages. Weren't they too a little difficult to handle? Using good prediction, you MAY destroy them why not with Politoed?
ScarfLandLos explosion OHKOS a Politoed or it might have a silver of HP left. In DW OU you merely destroy that Toad and switch the weather.
Prove me wrong if you must.
Doesn't seem too bad to me yet, what set in particular?Ugh, Manaphy is just an awful little shit this round. >_> If anyone wants to tell me why he should still be OU, I'm listening.
How about so we can test it next round in a metagame without Drizzle? Contrary to what most people seem to believe, Manaphy doesn't make Drizzle broken, it's the other way around. Drizzle is broken with or without Manaphy, hell Manaphy isn't even close to being the most dangerous abuser. Drizzle enables teams to utilize an army of powerful swift swimmers to rip through teams that aren't specifically built to counter it, while Manaphy, outside of Drizzle, is very borderline and deserves a separate test.Ugh, Manaphy is just an awful little shit this round. >_> If anyone wants to tell me why he should still be OU, I'm listening.
Gosh, why do people keep using this same arguement, again, and again, and again.So basically,everyone would need to carry something to sacrifice itself and then something to change the weather....What?
No... that's not what he's saying. He's saying it is possible to take out the weather starter (though you will need some way to change the weather still) If you wanna slap nerfed explosion on something go right ahead. I'll just take out politoed w/ something else.So basically,everyone would need to carry something to sacrifice itself and then something to change the weather....What?
It's not that,but with so little things actually stopping rain,people would have to do this.Gosh, why do people keep using this same arguement, again, and again, and again.
Not everybody absolutely needs to use that strategy to win. It's just a suggestion.
It's like me saying "Oh, Magneton can help get rid of Skarmory", and then someone chiming in and saying "Oh, so now every single teams needs to use a Magneton?"
Locopoke brings up an interesting point here. Is Manaphy the main reason why Drizzle is so common, or are there any other factors? I agree with Loco to a degree. It is the combination of fearsome Swift Swim sweepers like Kingdra and Kabutops as well as Manaphy that make rain a pain in the ass to deal with, not just one Pokemon alone.How about so we can test it next round in a metagame without Drizzle? Contrary to what most people seem to believe, Manaphy doesn't make Drizzle broken, it's the other way around. Drizzle is broken with or without Manaphy, hell Manaphy isn't even close to being the most dangerous abuser. Drizzle enables teams to utilize an army of powerful swift swimmers to rip through teams that aren't specifically built to counter it, while Manaphy, outside of Drizzle, is very borderline and deserves a separate test.
Manaphy has little to do with rain being common >____> Rain is common because you have pokemon that get +2 speed, get extra stab on their already great coverage attacks, and then proceed to kick ass because they all have the same general counters. sounds pretty appealing to me; i'd run it without manaphy (although i like rain with cm manaphy). i find cm manaphy more troubling than tail glow in rain, and tail glow more troubling outside of it; but i still find it to be a top threat regardless. very borderline.Locopoke brings up an interesting point here. Is Manaphy the main reason why Drizzle is so common, or are there any other factors? I agree with Loco to a degree. It is the combination of fearsome Swift Swim sweepers like Kingdra and Kabutops as well as Manaphy that make rain a pain in the ass to deal with, not just one Pokemon alone.
However, I still think Manaphy can be a threat even outside of the rain. Instant access to +3 Special Attack is nothing to be laughed at. It is true that having 108 base speed sets the benchmark for this generation and that means Manaphy will be outspeed, but a good team would either have Twave'd or killed them off before sending out Manaphy.
Your forgetting a few thingsIt's not that,but with so little things actually stopping rain,people would have to do this.
Seriously,what can stop rain without being useless?
1.The explosion strategy
2.Hail Tentacrual
3.Another weather team
Not many options there.
There is no such thing as 'Ubers Material' Just because a pokemon is or isn't viable in any particular higher tier doesn't justify it's tiering. Otherwise, Forretress and Blissey would be banned, they function just as well in Ubers as they do in OU. And besides, by your logic Politoed shouldn't be banned, obviously it is outclassed by Kyogre even more completely than Mence is by Rayquaza.Ludi and Kabu aren't anywhere near ubers material.
Ludicolo alone breaks Natt/Buru with Energy Ball and Focus Blast.Your forgetting a few things
Natt/Buru combo - natt walls kingdra (and others) to hell while buru (or another ghost or even zapdos) can take ludicolos focus blasts
Mischevious heart users can revenge (counter if sashed) and cripple many pokes.
that's what I thought of in 2 seconds. Just put some thought into it. be creative.
Magnezone can trap and kill Nattorei, while Ludicolo walks all over Burungeru. How do Mischievous Heart Taunts stop Rain sweepers? Granted, Borutorosu's Thunder Wave can slow down one sweeper, but then it dies horribly.Your forgetting a few things
Natt/Buru combo - natt walls kingdra (and others) to hell while buru (or another ghost or even zapdos) can take ludicolos focus blasts
Mischevious heart users can revenge (counter if sashed) and cripple many pokes.
that's what I thought of in 2 seconds. Just put some thought into it. be creative.