np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)

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The smogon server also doesn't allow you to use analytic starmie on the wifi ladder. Analytic starmie is released, however.

 

[Pocket]

time for an update :d

 

[Deaga]

Ah well, there goes the perfect Timid Raikou I've been using, unless I settle for Weather Ball (any nature, right??)

Only Rash aswell, it's from the same event that gave it Aura Sphere. =p

 

[Jibaku]

Ah well, there goes the perfect Timid Raikou I've been using, unless I settle for Weather Ball (any nature, right??) or Shadow Ball ;[ (either way cock-blocked by Ferrothorn and Ttar). There also goes my future plans of using Eruption Heatran in the sun :Z

Weather Ball Raikou is always Rash (along with ExtremeSpeed, Zap Cannon, and the aforementioned Aura Sphere).

 

[Pocket]

wtf man, you guys are messengers of sad news, yo

 

[Drifloon]

wtf man, you guys are messengers of sad news, yo

We're just truthtalkers

 

[AfroThunderRule]

The smogon server also doesn't allow you to use analytic starmie on the wifi ladder. Analytic starmie is released, however.

Been like that for a while, I always wanted to use one.

And anyone asking why do I want an Analytic Starmie.... switch-ins. :x

 

[Pocket]

Hmm, if Analytic works like this gen's Payback, then switch-ins wont provide the boost

 

[New World Order]

Did you guys thing GF would ever do anything that would make us happy, of course they were going to troll Raikou/ Heatran.

EDIT: I thought they would troll NP Celebi as well

 

[IcyMan28]

Not sure about Heatran, but they were actually being relatively smart with the beasts. Given that they all got Extremespeed, it wouldn't have been too great to give them a -Atk nature.

Thankfully, NP Celebi wasn't shiny.

 

[NGC-2024]

Would have been nicer is they were all Naive or something though ):

 

[Jaetheho]

okay so you said that exca counters are actually useful, fair enough.


what are dragonite counters?

 

[Ningildo]

Mamo?
ScarfTar?
SR?
Anything that can take a hit and dish out two SE ones in return?
Just thinking quick here but this should suffice for now.

 

[-Tsunami-]

Mamo?
ScarfTar?
SR?
Anything that can take a hit and dish out two SE ones in return?
Just thinking quick here but this should suffice for now.

Those are checks, not counters.
Some examples of good Dragonite counters are Skarmory, Tangrowth, and Slowbro.

 

[Jaetheho]

all those ARE useful in other purposes.
just like an exca counter.

just putting it out there.

 

[Ningildo]

Those are checks, not counters.
Some examples of good Dragonite counters are Skarmory, Tangrowth, and Slowbro.

Whoops, my bad.
Although counters, they are still shaky. All three can be surprised by a Mixnite with Thunderbolt/Thunder and Flamethrower. Just saying.

 

[Jaetheho]

ehhh... nobody runs mixnite. since salamence outclasses offensive mixed sets.

 

[Lowgock]

But mixnite can work as Lure, because Nobody expect its. You can destroy Skarm, Tangrowth and Co with. it, and then sweep with Another physicalnattacker.

 

[Ningildo]

With lack of BoltBeam, Salamence doesn't outclass Dragonite entirely.
And since we are speaking of outclassing, wouldn't Dragonite be outclassed in everything else as well by Salamence (Except for perhaps Bulky DDnite) if it wasn't for Multiscale?

 

[-Tsunami-]

With lack of BoltBeam, Salamence doesn't outclass Dragonite entirely.
And since we are speaking of outclassing, wouldn't Dragonite be outclassed in everything else as well by Salamence (Except for perhaps Bulky DDnite) if it wasn't for Multiscale?

Basically, yes. Multiscale is what allowed Dragonite to surpass Salamence in 5th gen. He also has moves like Aqua Tail, Fire Punch, and Extremespeed to help him kill things like Gliscor that Mence cannot without going mixed.

 

[SJCrew]

Basically, yes. Multiscale is what allowed Dragonite to surpass Salamence in 5th gen. He also has moves like Aqua Tail, Fire Punch, and Extremespeed to help him kill things like Gliscor that Mence cannot without going mixed.

Those options also allow Dragonite not to compromise any of its defenses, which in turn buys it more switch-ins to special attackers. Mence absolutely cannot switch in on special attackers, especially not with Stealth Rock up.

 

[Nkululeko]

Basically, yes. Multiscale is what allowed Dragonite to surpass Salamence in 5th gen. He also has moves like Aqua Tail, Fire Punch, and Extremespeed to help him kill things like Gliscor that Mence cannot without going mixed.

And we wouldn't want to do that right? MixMence still 2HKOes the whole tier (it actually OHKOes a lot of it).

 

[Jaetheho]

why does a freakin DRAGON need boltbeam coverage?

a neutral outrage is basicaly a SE bolt/beam

 

[Godsend]

Does anyone use LO 4 attack Landorus? I don't see it around, and I typically find it better than the Swords Dance set.

 

[BTzz]

Does anyone use LO 4 attack Landorus? I don't see it around, and I typically find it better than the Swords Dance set.

Ground, Rock, Ice is all the coverage Landorus needs imo (especially in sand). You don't even need HP ice if your team has Gliscor covered.