Gen 6 [ORAS] Choice Scarf Frogadier [DONE]

[Jett]

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Toxic Spikes / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Protean
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Scarf Frogadier outpaces the entire unboosted metagame, making its Hydro Pump a great tool for revenge killing opposing Choice Scarf users, such as Krokorok and Magmar, as well as boosted setup sweepers like Rock Polish Lairon and Shell Smash Magcargo. Ice Beam can revenge kill Simisage, Jumpluff, and Choice Scarf Sawsbuck. U-turn chips away at expected switch-ins like Politoed and bulky special walls like Duosion and Bronzor, while Toxic Spikes provides additional chip damage on Servine, Gogoat, non-Magic Guard Duosion, and other specially defensive walls to allow Frogadier to clean late-game. Alternatively, Hidden Power Grass is useful for stopping Whiscash and Huntail in their tracks.

Setup sweepers and wallbreakers like Sawsbuck, Simisage, Klang, and Pignite make for good partners, since Frogadier can keep Fire-types like Magmar and Lampent and Ground-types like Krokorok at bay. Frogadier also pairs well with other pivots, since it can struggle to switch in safely; examples of good slow pivots include Dustox and Vibrava. Dustox and Vibrava also offer entry hazard removal, which is vital, as Frogadier lacks recovery and pivots often. Pokemon that can remove items such as Persian, Krokorok, and Servine and entry hazard setters like Bronzor, Gigalith, and Whirlipede help aid Frogadier's cleaning efforts. Additionally, special wallbreakers like Magmar, Vanilluxe, and Simisage can help weaken the likes of Swalot, Bronzor, and Duosion so that Frogadier has an easier time cleaning through them.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Frogadier can also use Surf instead of or with Hydro Pump as a less powerful but more reliable STAB option, but it is generally difficult to justify over the additional power of Hydro Pump or using the moveslot for other coverage moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Specially Defensive Walls**: Dustox, Duosion, and Bronzor can shrug off any of Frogadier's attacks. Dustox, Bronzor, and Magic Guard Duosion sets also cannot be worn down by Frogadier's Toxic Spikes.

**Bulky Water-types**: Politoed and Seaking are generally safe switch-ins into Frogadier, as they both resist its common moves and are only 2HKOed by Life Orb Hidden Power Grass sets.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Servine and Gogoat are bulky enough to avoid being 2HKOed by Ice Beam, with the former also threatening to paralyze Frogadier with Glare.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Electabuzz, Simisage, and Jumpluff can all outspeed and OHKO Frogadier with their STAB attacks, and Choice Scarf variants of the first two outpace even Choice Scarf Frogadier.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
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Quality checked by:
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[5Dots]

QC 1/2, This analysis is croak-ay

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Toxic Spikes / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Protean
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Scarf Frogadier outpaces the entire unboosted metagame making its Hydro Pump a great tool for revenge killing opposing Choice Scarf users such as Krokorok and Magmar, as well as setup sweepers like Lairon and Magcargo clarify these are at +2, and (if possible) have another example instead of Magcargo. Ice Beam can revenge kill Simisage, Jumpluff, and Choice Scarf Sawsbuck. U-turn chips expected switch-ins like Politoed and bulky special walls mention some special walls examples from your checks/counters while Toxic Spikes provides additional chip damage to allow Frogadier to clean in the late game. Alternatively Hidden Power Grass is useful for stopping Whiscash and Huntail in their tracks.

Setup sweepers and wallbreakers like Sawsbuck, Simisage, Klang, and Pignite make for good partners since Frogadier can keep Fire-types like Magmar and Lampent, and Ground-types like Krokorok at bay respectively. Frogadier pairs well with other pivots such since it can struggle to switch in safely; examples of good slow pivots include Dustox, Vibrava, and Mienfoo. The former two also offer vital hazard removal as Frogadier lacks recovery and will often pivot Either move Mienfoo to the next sentence or remove it since it also can spread item removal. Pokemon that can spread item removal such as Persian, Krokorok, and Servine and entry hazard setters like Bronzor, Gigalith, and Whirlipede help to aid Frogadier's cleaning efforts.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Frogadier can also use Surf instead of or with Hydro Pump as a less powerful but more reliable STAB option but generally it is difficult to justify over the additional power or other coverage moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

*Specially defensive walls**: Dustox, Duosion, and Bronzor can shrug off any Frogadier's attacks. Dustox, Bronzor, and Magic Guard Duosion sets also cannot be worn down by Frogadier's Toxic Spikes.

**Bulky Water-types**: Politoed and Seaking are generally safe switch-ins into Frogadier resisting both is common moves and only being 2HKOed Life Orb Hidden Power Grass sets.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Servine and Gogoat are bulky enough to avoid being 2HKOed by Ice Beam, with the former also threatening to Glare Frogadier.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Electabuzz, Simisage, and Jumpluff, can all outspeed and OHKO Frogadier with their STAB attacks, and the Scarf variants of the former two will still outpace Scarf Frogadier.

[CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/jett.226429/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/5dots.543866/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/
Grammar checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/

 

[Jett]

thanks, implemented.

 

[sleid]

Just a few minor things, great work

QC 2/2

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Toxic Spikes / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Protean
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Scarf Frogadier outpaces the entire unboosted metagame making its Hydro Pump a great tool for revenge killing opposing Choice Scarf users such as Krokorok and Magmar, as well as boosted setup sweepers like Rock Polish Lairon and Shell Smash Magcargo. Ice Beam can revenge kill Simisage, Jumpluff, and Choice Scarf Sawsbuck. U-turn chips expected switch-ins like Politoed and bulky special walls like Duosion and Bronzor while Toxic Spikes provides additional chip damage (onto what? maybe mention tough special walls it normally cant get through without any chip like servine, gogoat, etc) to allow Frogadier to clean in the late game. Alternatively Hidden Power Grass is useful for stopping Whiscash and Huntail in their tracks.

Setup sweepers and wallbreakers like Sawsbuck, Simisage, Klang, and Pignite make for good partners since Frogadier can keep Fire-types like Magmar and Lampent, and Ground-types like Krokorok at bay respectively. Frogadier pairs well with other pivots such since it can struggle to switch in safely; examples of good slow pivots include Dustox and Vibrava. The former two also offer vital hazard removal as Frogadier lacks recovery and will often pivot. Pokemon that can spread item removal such as Persian, Krokorok, and Servine and entry hazard setters like Bronzor, Gigalith, and Whirlipede help to aid Frogadier's cleaning efforts. mention special breakers that frog likes being paired with for easier cleaning

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Frogadier can also use Surf instead of or with Hydro Pump as a less powerful but more reliable STAB option but generally it is difficult to justify over the additional power or other coverage moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

*Specially defensive walls**: Dustox, Duosion, and Bronzor can shrug off any Frogadier's attacks. Dustox, Bronzor, and Magic Guard Duosion sets also cannot be worn down by Frogadier's Toxic Spikes.

**Bulky Water-types**: Politoed and Seaking are generally safe switch-ins into Frogadier resisting both is common moves and only being 2HKOed Life Orb Hidden Power Grass sets.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Servine and Gogoat are bulky enough to avoid being 2HKOed by Ice Beam, with the former also threatening to Glare Frogadier.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Electabuzz, Simisage, and Jumpluff, can all outspeed and OHKO Frogadier with their STAB attacks, and the Scarf variants of the former two will still outpace Scarf Frogadier.

[CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/jett.226429/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/5dots.543866/
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Grammar checked by:
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[Jett]

GP Team :o

 

[zinnias]

AMGP, Remove Add Comment (I feel like I've learnt a lot about Frogadier in ORAS ZU today lmao)

AMGP

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Toxic Spikes / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Protean
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Scarf Frogadier outpaces the entire unboosted metagame, (AC) making its Hydro Pump a great tool for revenge killing opposing Choice Scarf users, (AC) such as Krokorok and Magmar, as well as boosted setup sweepers like Rock Polish Lairon and Shell Smash Magcargo. Ice Beam can be used to revenge kill Simisage, Jumpluff, and Choice Scarf Sawsbuck. U-turn chips away at expected switch-ins like Politoed and bulky special walls like Duosion and Bronzor, (AC) while Toxic Spikes provides additional chip damage on Servine, Gogoat, non-Magic Guard Duosion, (AC) and other specially defensive walls to allow Frogadier to clean in the late-game (Hyphen). Alternatively, (AC) Hidden Power Grass is useful for stopping Whiscash and Huntail in their tracks.

Setup sweepers and wallbreakers like Sawsbuck, Simisage, Klang, and Pignite make for good partners since Frogadier can keep Fire-types like Magmar and Lampent (RC) and Ground-types like Krokorok at bay, (AC) respectively. Frogadier pairs well with other pivots such since it can struggle to switch in safely; examples of good slow pivots include Dustox and Vibrava. The former two The aforementioned Pokemon (you only mentioned two; perhaps you missed out some more Pokemon you wanted to name?) also offer vital entry hazard removal, (AC) which is vital as Frogadier lacks recovery and will often pivot be pivoting often. Pokemon that can spread item removal remove items, such as Persian, Krokorok, and Servine, (AC) and entry hazard setters, (AC) like Bronzor, Gigalith, and Whirlipede, (AC) help to aid Frogadier's cleaning efforts. Additionally, special wallbreakers like Magmar, Vanilluxe, and Simisage can help weaken the likes of Swalot, Bronzor, and Duosion (RC) so that Frogadier has an easier time cleaning through them.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Frogadier can also use Surf instead of or with Hydro Pump as a less powerful but more reliable STAB option, (AC) but generally it is difficult to justify it over the additional power of Hydro Pump or using the moveslot for other coverage moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

*Specially defensive walls**: Dustox, Duosion, and Bronzor can shrug off any of Frogadier's attacks. Dustox, Bronzor, and Magic Guard Duosion sets also cannot be worn down by Frogadier's Toxic Spikes.

**Bulky Water-types**: Politoed and Seaking are generally safe switch-ins into Frogadier, (AC) resisting as they both is resist its common moves and are only being 2HKOed by Life Orb Hidden Power Grass sets.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Servine and Gogoat are bulky enough to avoid being 2HKOed by Ice Beam, with the former also threatening to Glare paralyze Frogadier with Glare.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Electabuzz, Simisage, and Jumpluff (RC) can all outspeed and OHKO Frogadier with their STAB attacks, and the Choice Scarf variants of the former two will still outpace even Choice Scarf Frogadier.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/jett.226429/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/5dots.543866/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sleid.601970/
Grammar checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/

 

[SolarBeam]

1/1, GP Team done
Crediting Acne too, did my check over his- my adds and removes are darker blue and red, while my comments are (orange).

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Remove Add Comment (I feel like I've learnt a lot about Frogadier in ORAS ZU today lmao)

blue = add
red = remove
(orange) = comment

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Toxic Spikes / Hidden Power Grass
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Protean
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Scarf Frogadier outpaces the entire unboosted metagame, (AC) making its Hydro Pump a great tool for revenge killing opposing Choice Scarf users, (AC) such as Krokorok and Magmar, as well as boosted setup sweepers like Rock Polish Lairon and Shell Smash Magcargo. Ice Beam can revenge kill Simisage, Jumpluff, and Choice Scarf Sawsbuck. U-turn chips away at expected switch-ins like Politoed and bulky special walls like Duosion and Bronzor, (AC) while Toxic Spikes provides additional chip damage on Servine, Gogoat, non-Magic Guard Duosion, (AC) and other specially defensive walls to allow Frogadier to clean in the late-game (Hyphen). Alternatively, (AC) Hidden Power Grass is useful for stopping Whiscash and Huntail in their tracks.

Setup sweepers and wallbreakers like Sawsbuck, Simisage, Klang, and Pignite make for good partners, (AC) since Frogadier can keep Fire-types like Magmar and Lampent (RC) and Ground-types like Krokorok at bay respectively. Frogadier also pairs well with other pivots, (AC) such since it can struggle to switch in safely; examples of good slow pivots include Dustox and Vibrava. The former two Dustox and Vibrava (former doesn't work with >2 things) also offer vital entry hazard removal, (AC) which is vital, (AC) as Frogadier lacks recovery and will often pivot pivots often. Pokemon that can spread item removal remove items such as Persian, Krokorok, and Servine and entry hazard setters like Bronzor, Gigalith, and Whirlipede help to aid Frogadier's cleaning efforts. Additionally, special wallbreakers like Magmar, Vanilluxe, and Simisage can help weaken the likes of Swalot, Bronzor, and Duosion (RC) so that Frogadier has an easier time cleaning through them.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Frogadier can also use Surf instead of or with Hydro Pump as a less powerful but more reliable STAB option, (AC) but generally it is generally difficult to justify over the additional power of Hydro Pump or using the moveslot for other coverage moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Specially defensive walls Defensive Walls**: Dustox, Duosion, and Bronzor can shrug off any of Frogadier's attacks. Dustox, Bronzor, and Magic Guard Duosion sets also cannot be worn down by Frogadier's Toxic Spikes.

**Bulky Water-types**: Politoed and Seaking are generally safe switch-ins into Frogadier, (AC) resisting as they both is resist its common moves and are only being 2HKOed by Life Orb Hidden Power Grass sets.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Servine and Gogoat are bulky enough to avoid being 2HKOed by Ice Beam, with the former also threatening to Glare paralyze Frogadier with Glare.

**Fast Offensive Pokemon**: Electabuzz, Simisage, and Jumpluff (RC) can all outspeed and OHKO Frogadier with their STAB attacks, and the Choice Scarf variants of the former first two will still outpace even Choice Scarf Frogadier.

[SET CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/jett.226429/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/5dots.543866/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sleid.601970/
Grammar checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/acneautist.569291/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/solarbeam.470115/

 

[Jett]

thanks for the gp checks, implemented