Panpour (Analysis)

[Diana]

Panpour

Status: Done!
QC checks: Crux, comatthew6
GP checks: V0x, Calm Pokemaster


[Overview]

<p>Panpour, at first glance, seems completely outclassed, having low stats which are eclipsed by many other Water-types. However, there is one move in its arsenal that makes it usable. Nasty Plot allows Panpour to quickly boost its Special Attack stat without lowering its defenses, meaning that it can take a hit much more easily than more common sweepers such as Clamperl. Though not great, Panpour's movepool is also good enough for it to take advantage of the boosts it acquires. Overall, Panpour might not be the best Pokemon, but Nasty Plot certainly makes it a usable choice for almost any Little Cup team.</p>

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Substitute
move 4: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
nature: Timid
evs: 36 HP / 52 Def / 176 SpA / 244 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Nasty Plot is the only reason to use Panpour, and it reaches 28 Special Attack after one use, high enough to deal considerable damage. Hydro Pump is Panpour's preferred STAB move due to the power it brings, but Surf is also an option if its perfect accuracy is desired. Ice Beam is the main choice in the third slot, obtaining super effective coverage on Lileep and Dratini. However, the aforementioned Pokemon are not all that common; therefore, Substitute can be used in Ice Beam's place for extra protection. The last move depends on what Panpour needs to deal with. Hidden Power Grass is usually superior, as it ensures that Panpour's sweep isn't brought to an abrupt halt by Water-types such as Staryu, Chinchou, and Slowpoke. However, if Panpour's team has problems dealing with Ferroseed, Hidden Power Fire is usable as well.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Life Orb could be used to boost Panpour's power even more, but the loss of Eviolite makes Panpour quite frail. If not using Hidden Power Fire, Ferroseed is a major obstacle in the way of Panpour's sweep. Therefore, a Magnemite with Hidden Power Fire works well as a teammate, as it can trap and KO Ferroseed quite easily. Tentacool is another problem, as it can deal with any move that Panpour typically carries. This makes Chinchou a great teammate too for eliminating Tentacool. Snover, especially if holding a Choice Scarf, does well against Panpour as long as it doesn't switch in on Hidden Power Fire. Croagunk can switch in on Snover's STAB Grass-type attacks with ease and deal massive damage with Drain Punch while healing off any damage taken. Taillow too can rip Snover to shreds with STAB Brave Bird, but it will need to be careful when switching in, as Blizzard will OHKO.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Panpour has very few other options beyond those listed. Hidden Power Ground can be useful, as it hits Chinchou, Croagunk, and Tentacool for super effective damage. Panpour learns Hone Claws along with physical moves such as Waterfall, Acrobatics, and Crunch, but the Nasty Plot set is far superior. Work Up is another option if using a mixed set, though it will rarely outperform Nasty Plot. Taunt is also an option, as it prevents opposing Pokemon from setting up on Panpour.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ferroseed walls all Panpour lacking Hidden Power Fire quite easily, hitting back hard with Bullet Seed. Staryu and Chinchou both deal major damage to Panpour with Thunderbolt, and are safe against versions that lack Hidden Power Grass. Croagunk can take Ice Beam quite well, and Drain Punch will keep it healthy enough to beat Panpour. Tentacool is also a great counter thanks to its high Special Defense and resistances to Water-, Ice-, and Fire-type moves. Snover has problems switching in on Hidden Power Fire, but can take any other move while retaliating with Giga Drain.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Panpour receives Torrent from the Dream World. It can work well if Panpour is low on HP, and is definitely better than Gluttony if not using a pinch Berry. Panpour could make nice use of Substitute and Salac Berry when the item is released alongside Gluttony as well.</p>

 

[PoJ]

I'm not a QC member, but can't a Choice Scarf set be slashed? Or is it completely outclassed by Chinchou?

Edit: Lol, not slashed. I meant mentioned xD

 

[(makeup)]

Perhaps slash Substitute in Ice Beam's slot? Grass and Dragon are the two least common types in LC, and the two Pokemon who fit that criteria and are relevant to the metagame, Lileep and Ferroseed, give like -2 shits about Ice Beam and will just OHKO Panpour regardless.

Haven't tested it, but maybe just a mention?

 

[Darkamber8828]

Lileep takes does 53.8% - 69.2% from +2 Ice Beam.

But yeah, Ferroseed and Snover dick around with it anyway.

Slash Sub. Or maybe Taunt?

 

[Diana]

Those others seem about as situational as Ice Beam to be honest, especially since 2HKOing Lileep is never really a bad thing. Dratini and Axew aren't common, but they do exist as well. I'll slash Sub, and put Taunt in OO, but I really think Ice Beam should stay as the first slash.

 

[Crux]

I looked at some other sets, but they were all super crappy. This seems to be about the best poor old panpour can do...

Stamp I guess, this seems fine.

 

[comatthew6]

Is Hidden Power Fire + Grass Knot viable? I am fully aware of the fact that you won't be able to do a lot of damage with Grass Knot on the weightless fishies found in Little Cup but I mean it's SOMETHING and HP Fire will get good coverage and won't leave you hopeless against Ferroseed although it will leave you vulnerable to Lileep so HP Fighting might also be a viable alternate.

My ramblings aside,

QC APPROVED [2/2]

Nasty Plot + Water STAB actually seems quite interesting; shame it was wasted on Panpour.

 

[breh]

I'd agree with coma in a way; I'd suggest water move/np/(hp fire or grass)/ice beam. HP fire is better than grass, IMO; chinchou can outright OHKO panpour regardless of its hidden power while ferroseed gets laughed at.

 

[Diana]

Remember that HP Grass also hits Staryu and Slowpoke as well as Chinchou, so while Fire is good to hit Ferroseed, Grass lets Panpour do damage to more threats.

As for Grass Knot... Just looked it up. 40 BP on Chinchou, 60 on Staryu and Slowpoke. Would have been good for coverage if everything wasn't so light...

I think HP Fire can get a slash, but I'd honestly rather use HP Grass. I'll write this up tomorrow, and if anyone else has other ideas feel free to post.

 

[Diana]

Sorry about the delay (again), this is written.

 

[Lemonade]

panpour is a monkey thing of water
if only dumb ferroseed was softer

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[Overview]

<p>Panpour, at first glance, seems completely outclassed, having quite low stats which are eclipsed outshined by many other Water-types. However, there is one move in Panpour's arsenal that makes it usable. Nasty Plot allows Panpour to quickly boost its Special Attack stat without lowering its defenses, meaning that it can take a hit much more easily than more common sweepers such as Clamperl. Panpour's movepool isn't great, but it's certainly good enough to take advantage of the boosts is acquires. Overall, Panpour isn't the best Pokemon, but Nasty Plot certainly makes it a usable choice for a Little Cup team.</p>


[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Substitute
move 4: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
nature: Timid
evs: 36 HP / 52 Def / 176 SpA / 244 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Nasty Plot is the only reason to use Panpour, and it reaches 28 Special Attack after one use, high enough to deal considerable damage. Hydro Pump is Panpour's preferred STAB move due to the power it brings, but Surf is quite usable if its perfect accuracy is desired. Ice Beam is the main choice in the third slot, obtaining coverage on Lileep and Dratini. However, the aforementioned Pokemon are not all that common; therefore, Substitute can be used in its place for extra protection. The last move depends on what Panpour needs to deal with. Hidden Power Grass is usually superior, as it obtains coverage on Water-types such as Staryu, Chinchou, and Slowpoke. However, if Panpour's team has problems dealing with Ferroseed, Hidden Power Fire is a good option.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Life Orb could be used to boost Panpour's power even more, but the loss of Eviolite makes Panpour quite frail. If not using Hidden Power Fire, Ferroseed is a major obstacle in the way of Panpour's attempt at a sweep. Therefore, a Magnemite with Hidden Power Fire works well as a teammate, as it can trap and KO Ferroseed quite easily. Tentacool is another problem, as it can deal with any move that Panpour typically carries. Chinchou works well with Panpour to get rid of Tentacool. Snover, especially if holding a Choice Scarf, does well against Panpour as long as it Snover doesn't switch in on Hidden Power Fire. Croagunk works well to switch in on the Grass-type moves that Snover would typically use against Panpour, and its Drain Punch deals massive damage while healing any damage taken as well. A Flying-type such as Taillow can also be useful, as it can use its powerful Flying-type STAB attacks on opposing Croagunk.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Panpour has very few other options beyond those listed. Hidden Power Ground can be useful, as it hits Chinchou, Croagunk, and Tentacool. Panpour learns Hone Claws along with physical moves such as Waterfall, Acrobatics, and Crunch, but the Nasty Plot set is far superior to this. Work Up is another option if using a mixed set, though it will rarely outperform Nasty Plot. Taunt is also an option, as it prevents opposing Pokemon from setting up on Panpour.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ferroseed walls Panpour quite easily if Hidden Power Fire is not being used, and Ferroseed hits hard with Bullet Seed. Staryu and Chinchou both deal major damage to Panpour with Thunderbolt, and are safe against versions that lack Hidden Power Grass. Croagunk can take Ice Beam quite well, and Drain Punch will keep Croagunk healthy enough to beat Panpour. Tentacool is a great counter thanks to its high Special Defense and resistances to Water-, Ice-, and Fire-type moves. Snover has problems switching in on Hidden Power Fire, but can take any other move while retaliating with Giga Drain.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Panpour receives Torrent from the Dream World. It can work well if Panpour is low on HP. It's definitely better than Gluttony if not using a pinch berry. Panpour could make nice use of Substitute and Salac Berry when the item is released alongside Gluttony as well.</p>

nice work

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[Diana]

Thanks, updated!

 

[Calm Pokemaster]

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[Overview]

<p>Panpour, at first glance, seems completely outclassed, having low stats which are eclipsed by many other Water-types. However, there is one move in Panpour's its arsenal that makes it usable. Nasty Plot allows Panpour to quickly boost its Special Attack stat without lowering its defenses, meaning that it can take a hit much more easily than more common sweepers such as Clamperl. Panpour's movepool isn't Though not great, but it's Panpour's movepool is also certainly good enough for it to take advantage of the boosts it acquires. Overall, Panpour isn't might not be the best Pokemon, but Nasty Plot certainly makes it a usable choice for almost any Little Cup team.</p>
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[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 3: Ice Beam / Substitute
move 4: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
item: Eviolite
nature: Timid
evs: 36 HP / 52 Def / 176 SpA / 244 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Nasty Plot is the only reason to use Panpour, and it reaches 28 Special Attack after one use, high enough to deal considerable damage. Hydro Pump is Panpour's preferred STAB move due to the power it brings, but Surf is quite usable also an option if its perfect accuracy is desired. Ice Beam is the main choice in the third slot, obtaining super effective coverage on Lileep and Dratini. However, the aforementioned Pokemon are not all that common; therefore, Substitute can be used in its Ice Beam's place for extra protection. The last move depends on what Panpour needs to deal with. Hidden Power Grass is usually superior, as it obtains coverage on ensures that Panpour's sweep isn't brought to an abrupt halt by Water-types such as Staryu, Chinchou, and Slowpoke. However, if Panpour's team has problems dealing with Ferroseed, Hidden Power Fire is a good option usable as well.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Life Orb could be used to boost Panpour's power even more, but the loss of Eviolite makes Panpour quite frail. If not using Hidden Power Fire, Ferroseed is a major obstacle in the way of Panpour's attempt at a sweep. Therefore, a Magnemite with Hidden Power Fire works well as a teammate, as it can trap and KO Ferroseed quite easily. Tentacool is another problem, as it can deal with any move that Panpour typically carries. Chinchou thus makes a great teammate too for eliminating Tentacool works well with Panpour to get rid of Tentacool. Snover, especially if holding a Choice Scarf, does well against Panpour as long as Snover it doesn't switch in on Hidden Power Fire. Croagunk works well to switch in on the Grass-type moves that Snover would typically use against Panpour, and its Drain Punch deals massive damage while healing any damage taken as well. A Flying-type such as Taillow can also be useful, as it can use its powerful STAB attacks on opposing Croagunk Croagunk can switch in on Snover's STAB Grass-type attacks with ease and deal massive damage with Drain Punch while healing off any damage taken. Taillow too can rip Snover to shreds with STAB Brave Bird, but it will need to be careful when switching in, as Blizzard will OHKO.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Panpour has very few other options beyond those listed. Hidden Power Ground can be useful, as it hits Chinchou, Croagunk, and Tentacool for super effective damage. Panpour learns Hone Claws along with physical moves such as Waterfall, Acrobatics, and Crunch, but the Nasty Plot set is far superior. Work Up is another option if using a mixed set, though it will rarely outperform Nasty Plot. Taunt is also an option, as it prevents opposing Pokemon from setting up on Panpour.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ferroseed walls all Panpour lacking Hidden Power Fire quite easily if Hidden Power Fire is not used, and Ferroseed hitting back hard with Bullet Seed. Staryu and Chinchou both deal major damage to Panpour with Thunderbolt, and are safe against versions that lack Hidden Power Grass. Croagunk can take Ice Beam quite well, and Drain Punch will keep Croagunk it healthy enough to beat Panpour. Tentacool is also a great counter thanks to its high Special Defense and resistances to Water-, Ice-, and Fire-type moves. Snover has problems switching in on Hidden Power Fire, but can take any other move while retaliating with Giga Drain.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Panpour receives Torrent from the Dream World. It can work well if Panpour is low on HP, and is It's definitely better than Gluttony if not using a pinch berry. Panpour could make nice use of Substitute and Salac Berry when the item is released alongside Gluttony as well.</p>

Good job.

GP 2 / 2

 

[Diana]

Thanks, this is done!

 

[Oglemi]

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