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Sports Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread
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So are the jobbers they have now? what about them?
It isn't just about how good of a worker they are, it's also about their marketability, that being said my four picks would be AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, and Kenny Omega, if I'm allowed to list honorable mentions then Jay Lethal, Samoa Joe, Cesaro, and Seth Rollins
I would build mine with Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, Bobby Roode and Ricochet
But let me ask this question. How would those guys do in terms of drawing compared to the top drawing stars like a Cena and a Austin? I don't see them drawing like them.
I'd probably go for as much variation as possible in each of my four. My first pick would be AJ Styles because he's the complete package atm. His in-ring work is nearly unmatched, he's good on the mic, and while his hair is quite soccer-momish I still prefer it over his short cut that made him look like a gay porn star. He's also nearly impossible to have a bad match with, and most of his bad matches are the fault of his opponents (See Apollo Crews).
My next pick would be Kevin Owens as a tweener because if I'm going to pick four people I can't have multiple male heels because that causes imbalance. His look isn't the greatest but his style sets him apart from AJ's high flying craziness and he's overall super fun to watch.
My third pick was a difficult choice. I wanted to go with a capable face that kids could look up to and people could sympathize with. I picked Cesaro, and the reason why was specifically because of his faults. Cesaro, as we all know, isn't the greatest talker. This is actually somewhat of a good thing because I personally feel like a face should have some sort of fault to them to help give them a justified underdog feeling to them. In contrast, one of the other reasons why I picked AJ was because he's perfect in nearly every manner, which is a major piss-off to people that are desperate to point out any possible flaw they can find to make themselves feel better. Let's face it, we've all been in those situations where we have the asshole that can do everything we do but better and there's nothing we can do about it. It fucking sucks. That's AJ. Cesaro on the other hand, has blatant flaws that hold him back and allow us to relate to him better. Yeah he's stupidly strong and is a great worker but because of his inconsistencies on the mic we can connect with him on a better level, and will want to see him succeed despite his shortcomings.
So for my fourth pick, I know you said guys specifically, but I actually wanted to pick a woman for this slot because building a super-promotion like WWE is about more than simply the dudes. This was actually the toughest choice for me because each of the women have their strong points, but also have weak points that hold them back a bit too much to be the sole pick, and while I could have pick two male and two female I wanted to be more honest to the ratio of the workers a typical promotion would have, which is either completely male, or mostly male. I couldn't pick Sasha Banks because her in-ring work recently has been sloppy and she's bad on the mic. I couldn't go with Charlotte because she's a bit too green and her image isn't the most relatable. I also couldn't go with Becky or Bayley because I can't understand Becky most of the time and Bayley just mumbles a lot, plus I feel like despite being great with the kids she's too goofy. My pick for a female would be Ember Moon. She's a complete badass, her ring work is outstanding, she has a great personality...she's just overall a fun wrestler to watch. Also she's black which helps mix things up with all of the white males I've selected so far.
If I have to pick a fourth male though it's Rollins as a face because he's young, hip, and super talented.
My next pick would be Kevin Owens as a tweener because if I'm going to pick four people I can't have multiple male heels because that causes imbalance. His look isn't the greatest but his style sets him apart from AJ's high flying craziness and he's overall super fun to watch.
My third pick was a difficult choice. I wanted to go with a capable face that kids could look up to and people could sympathize with. I picked Cesaro, and the reason why was specifically because of his faults. Cesaro, as we all know, isn't the greatest talker. This is actually somewhat of a good thing because I personally feel like a face should have some sort of fault to them to help give them a justified underdog feeling to them. In contrast, one of the other reasons why I picked AJ was because he's perfect in nearly every manner, which is a major piss-off to people that are desperate to point out any possible flaw they can find to make themselves feel better. Let's face it, we've all been in those situations where we have the asshole that can do everything we do but better and there's nothing we can do about it. It fucking sucks. That's AJ. Cesaro on the other hand, has blatant flaws that hold him back and allow us to relate to him better. Yeah he's stupidly strong and is a great worker but because of his inconsistencies on the mic we can connect with him on a better level, and will want to see him succeed despite his shortcomings.
So for my fourth pick, I know you said guys specifically, but I actually wanted to pick a woman for this slot because building a super-promotion like WWE is about more than simply the dudes. This was actually the toughest choice for me because each of the women have their strong points, but also have weak points that hold them back a bit too much to be the sole pick, and while I could have pick two male and two female I wanted to be more honest to the ratio of the workers a typical promotion would have, which is either completely male, or mostly male. I couldn't pick Sasha Banks because her in-ring work recently has been sloppy and she's bad on the mic. I couldn't go with Charlotte because she's a bit too green and her image isn't the most relatable. I also couldn't go with Becky or Bayley because I can't understand Becky most of the time and Bayley just mumbles a lot, plus I feel like despite being great with the kids she's too goofy. My pick for a female would be Ember Moon. She's a complete badass, her ring work is outstanding, she has a great personality...she's just overall a fun wrestler to watch. Also she's black which helps mix things up with all of the white males I've selected so far.
If I have to pick a fourth male though it's Rollins as a face because he's young, hip, and super talented.
Interesting Ember Moon pick, now I'm actually interested to see how she is via NXT. Explanations on point btw.
But if i had to pick four wrestlers of all time i would struggle
A MT. Rushmore would have to at least have Hogan and Austin. I'm ignoring Japan and the like because I don't know them and don't want to due to the negative stigma it has of them killing each other. (that's just me you don't have to agree with it). Cena regardless if you hate him or not, Should be on there because he's a good wrestler, he has his niche of a brawler and powerhouse. You don't always need to be a technical wrestler to be good at what you do. That's why I can't stand that "you can't wrestle" chant.
I tend to differ because Japanese Wrestlers were the greatest in my opinion
Why are they the greatest?
They tend to get better match ratings like kobashi
Well, when did having just good matches get them anywhere though? and it is more about having just great matches. Being bland shouldn't make you great.
I believe what he's trying to say is they're the greatest at wrestling, which Kenta Kobashi and Mitsuharu Misawa were two of the greatest, and even if you are "bland" gimmickwise one can get over by having good matches that the crowd is into in my opinion.
There is more than just having good matches. Misawa died in the ring trying to make wrestling real so for me personally, can't take him seriously. Bret Hart said a good wrestler is someone who can make things look real while inflicting less pain as possible.
I am so stoked for Backlash!
Who else is stoked for backlash?
your avatar makes it better, still props to punk tho fighting a UFC fighter with no prior mma experience
Really? You wouldn't fight a UFC fight when you are physically fit, financially secure, can take two years to train for the fight, and have a lifetime background in something approximating fighting?
This wasn't some heroic move by Punk, this was him cashing a paycheck for life. Kudos to him for doing that, hopefully he doesn't have the hubris to think he deserves anything more.
This wasn't some heroic move by Punk, this was him cashing a paycheck for life. Kudos to him for doing that, hopefully he doesn't have the hubris to think he deserves anything more.
He had no MMA fight experience and went against Gall that had a record of 2-0, anyway you look at it you can't say Punk didn't have balls. UFC fighter generally train most of their lives. Punk trained for 2 years or so and he was already aging. He wanted to have a UFC fight and he did. Punk still won. While we're just discussing if he had balls or if he deserves respect.
Sure, you can say he had balls. You can't say that he had more balls than most people put in his situation.
Might as well drop my top 10 matches list for the year. The matches are ranked in order from best to worst. Just a note that I haven't watched every great match this year, so this list may be missing a really good one.
1. Kenny Omega vs. Tetsuya Naito - NJPW G1 Climax - ****¾
2. AJ Styles vs. John Cena - WWE Summerslam - ****¾
3. Kazuchika Okada vs. Tomohiro Ishii - NJPW G1 Climax - ****¾
4. Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn - WWE Battleground - ****¾
5. Kyle O'Reilly vs. KUSHIDA - NJPW Best of the Super Juniors - ****¾
6. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada - NJPW G1 Climax - ****¾
7. IWGP Intercontinental Championship: Shinsuke Nakamura (c) vs. AJ Styles - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10 - ****½
8. Sami Zayn vs. Shinsuke Nakamura - NXT TakeOver: Dallas - ****½
9. NXT Tag Team Championship: The Revival (c) vs. Johnny Gargano and Tommaso Ciampa - NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn 2 - ****½
10. Cedric Alexander vs. Kota Ibushi - WWE Cruiserweight Classic - ****½
And here I will list a few competitors.
11. NEVER Openweight Championship: Tomohiro Ishii (c) vs. Katsuyori Shibata - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10 - ****½
12. CWF Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship: Roy Wilkins (c) vs. Trevor Lee - CWF Mid-Atlantic Worldwide Ep. #43 - ****½
13. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship: KUSHIDA (c) vs. Will Ospreay - NJPW Invasion Attack - ****¼
1. Kenny Omega vs. Tetsuya Naito - NJPW G1 Climax - ****¾
2. AJ Styles vs. John Cena - WWE Summerslam - ****¾
3. Kazuchika Okada vs. Tomohiro Ishii - NJPW G1 Climax - ****¾
4. Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn - WWE Battleground - ****¾
5. Kyle O'Reilly vs. KUSHIDA - NJPW Best of the Super Juniors - ****¾
6. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada - NJPW G1 Climax - ****¾
7. IWGP Intercontinental Championship: Shinsuke Nakamura (c) vs. AJ Styles - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10 - ****½
8. Sami Zayn vs. Shinsuke Nakamura - NXT TakeOver: Dallas - ****½
9. NXT Tag Team Championship: The Revival (c) vs. Johnny Gargano and Tommaso Ciampa - NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn 2 - ****½
10. Cedric Alexander vs. Kota Ibushi - WWE Cruiserweight Classic - ****½
And here I will list a few competitors.
11. NEVER Openweight Championship: Tomohiro Ishii (c) vs. Katsuyori Shibata - NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10 - ****½
12. CWF Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship: Roy Wilkins (c) vs. Trevor Lee - CWF Mid-Atlantic Worldwide Ep. #43 - ****½
13. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship: KUSHIDA (c) vs. Will Ospreay - NJPW Invasion Attack - ****¼
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