since i dont think i can reply to any specific post on here, im just going to address some general points made and debunk some issues with statements made in this thread and others.
1. the issue being discussed is sleep clause, the policy itself is archaic and would be laughed out of the room if someone suggested it in this day and age. if anywhere during your argument you mention that anything about sleep in its current state is problematic, ie z hypnosis darkrai is too annoying, or if you think hypno or dark void are too annoying then any point you make about keeping the clause in place is moot and you missed the entire point of the discussion. if there is an issue due to a sleeping move, it is because the clause doesnt work anymore, and just another reason why it should be removed and be done with, there is no ifs or buts to this, any post in this thread that mentions any element of sleep as an issue then goes on to say sleep clause works fine is a bad post and should be disregarded
2. no one is banning sleep, the status. even if sleep clause is removed, the only moves that will be banned or at the very least looked at are those that directly instigate sleep, ie spore hypno sleep powder. i assume this is miscommunication but its leading to a lot of misinformation being spread, no, sleep is not being banned, you can still use rest, relic song, or whatever, no one is banning a status. no one is also ”banning a mechanic”. this is another frankly ridiculous notion being pushed around to fuel the fire.
3. the comparisons to paralysis also are really dumb frankly, considering for one the methods to inflict it are harder than sleep as well as even after inflicting theres still better chances to move + it having a competitive use outside of full para, which is the speed drop. the only reason why sleep in its current state can be seen as more “dealable” is because we have a clause to try and limit it, which if you think isnt doing its job well then look at point 1.
4. this (sleep clause) is again a policy issue, not a metagame issue, suspect tests for this have nothing to do with policy, if you want a suspect test its just further proof you dont know what you are talking about. if you think sleep clause is fine policy wise and should be kept, argue it here. similiarly, comparing this decision to any other metagame related discussion or issue is also irrelevant, as they have nothing to do with policy. sleep is also special considering its the only element in the tier to have a clause directly tied into its tiering, so comparing it to anything else , ie: tera, would be laughable.
5. removing clause and going with a sleep ban would not be in any way an abuse of power by the council, it would be correcting a bandaid archaic policy solution that is proven to not consistently work across metas.
6. natdex does not have to follow what ou does in terms of big important decisions, but it can if it deems it a correct step forward. comparing metagame tiering decisions (such as suspect tests) to correcting policy is a gross misunderstanding of the entire point of this discussion and the subject at hand. furthermore a horrible analogy that has nothing to do with the discussion. re point 5, if the policy is clearly starting to fall apart in ou, what is the issue with correcting it now, while the issue is still fresh and can garner the most traction of input, rather than wait til it starts inevitably causing issues for us like it did for ou.
7. simulator accuracy matters a lot for us regardless, no one can just disregard it just because we are not fully replicable on cart. by that logic, whats stopping us from adding whatever we want to mold and twist to what the council wants for the tier? there is a reason we made a policy discussion thread on the identity of national dex, and established that. cart accuracy is important to assure we stick to as close as what it would look like in cart as possible, following the identity laid out. any posts disregarding this should be seen as disingenous.
8. darkrai should not in any circumstances, and will not be returned to ubers any time soon, regardless of how you feel about it. there was an extremely recent suspect, and the majority voted for it to be unbanned. if you voted keep banned, then your welcome to talk about why its broken in the metagame discussion thread, if you didnt vote in the test then i would highly recommend you to not comment on this, if you lack either the skill or the dedication to the tier to do the test, then you do not deserve an opinion on wether it should stay or not. removing darkrai would be a gross abuse of power and frankly an insult to the people who qualified for the test.
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