I hope Kyurem goes personally
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]
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TCTphantom
formerly MX42
Please let the Archaludon suspect test song be “Shot through the Heart” finch I’m begging you. I’m still not over Bad Moon Rising not being used for either moon based Mon test 
I think Archaludon is more oppressive than any of these. Storm Zone is a great player and I trust their opinion a lot, but rain is basically unbeatable right now without a perfect counter team that leaves you open to other archetypes.
Not that the council cares, but this is probably the least accessible the meta has been to new/mid level players. It’s extremely difficult/impossible to build anything outside of HO/offense.
Won,t currently explain why I think Archaludon is balanced/less broken than my list (since this would trigger long discussion I want to avoid right now), but just to be clear, I arrived to this conclusion completely independently of Storm Zone. In fact, I tend to disagree with 90% of Storm Zone takes when he posts in meta threads like this one.
Mighty cleave is insanely powerful, but other than that the STAB is a bit lacking (zen headbut has a literal 57% accuracy for me).
This is actually Proto Speed + Scarf, so you don't get the Attack boost under the Sun.
I was talking about gouging fire, not roaring moon since in your post later on you talked said goug.
Walking Wake Enam and Iron Valiant are objectively fine at this point in time idk what ur on about.
i think it should be either "london bridge is falling down" or "bridge" by queensrÿchePlease let the Archaludon suspect test song be “Shot through the Heart” finch I’m begging you. I’m still not over Bad Moon Rising not being used for either moon based Mon test
also, i think you might be thinking of "you give love a bad name". "shot through the heart" is a different bon jovi song
Fair, but could you at least provide a check/counter to Arch that doesn’t involve a trade?
can we make a custom song of like, God Save Our Gracious King but every 'king' is replaced with 'arch'.
I wonder what the Kyurem results will be, my guess is barely banned
Will only consider the AV set + Rain (outside of Rain no one is even seriously believing Arch is broken).
1. Sdef Clodsire (preferably with Leftovers over Boots).
2.
Lord Buckethead (Ting-Lu) @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Tera Type: Water (Tera can change to fit the team)
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Whirlwind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Standard Hazards Ting Lu is big unviable trash no one should ever use, this is the optimal Ting Lu set, just find some other Hazard setters to pair it. Stops Archaludon well enough.
3.
Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Tera Type: Whatever you want.
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Whirlwind
252+ SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 201-237 (47.8 - 56.4%) -- 28.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (which doesn,t actually happen due to the drop).
Removes the Rain. If Arch goes for Electro Shot, it gets trapped, Hippo can choose whether do damage with EQ or use WW.
4.
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Whatever you want.
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD (could change depending on the team)
Sassy Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
- Grass Knot
Set worked in pre-DLC Meta. Didn,t use it now, but probably still works if you build specific teams that require it.
5. Glowking. Doesn,t actually kill Arch (except with AV + Focus Blast, but I consider that suboptimal and very unreliable), but will either use TW or pivot out removing the Rain and allowing some powerful breaker to come and kill Arch.
6. Band Zamazenta (which can be paired with the above Slowking, but works even without it):
252+ SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta: 201-237 (61.8 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 204 HP / 0 Def Archaludon: 440-522 (118.2 - 140.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I don,t consider this a trade, Zamazenta is so fast that it can come later in the game to contribute again. Arch can Tera, sure, but so does any Mon.
Only included OU Mons and only those that don,t trade and have enough HP remaining to contribute later in the game.
Also, will put a 7:
Several Kyurem sets if the Mon somehow survives. It won,t ever come on Archaludon itself, but it eats Rain teams for breakfast in general, with or without a Glowking as a partner.
“Standard hazards Ting-Lu is big unviable trash no one should ever use”
Not even close to true. Its like saying SD Gambit is garbage and ppl should use SR + T-Wave instead.
i so badly want to like your post because i also don't believe archaludon is broken but this is the most ridiculous take i've seen in the past week and that includes the people in traineraid unironically defending cannibalism
TCTphantom
formerly MX42
Oh i know, I just wanted a Bon Jovi suspect song. Its like how if (keyword if) we suspected Raging Bolt, I would go with Thunder Road as the song for the boss.
Suspect Songs for sh*ts and giggles (I would only test a certain piece of infrastructure rn)
Shot Through the Heart - Bon Jovi
Fire - The Crazy World of Arthur Brown
Thunder Road - Bruce Springsteen
Bad Moon Rising - CCR
Killing My Love - Leslie Parrish
Emperor's New Clothes - Panic at the Disco
Money - Pink Floyd
Walking on the Sun - Smash Mouth------
If (bad idea do not debate this please for my sanity) we tested anything dropping
The Wolf -Siames
My Favorite Game - The Cardigans 
Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglasokay, if we dropOh i know, I just wanted a Bon Jovi suspect song. Its like how if (keyword if) we suspected Raging Bolt, I would go with Thunder Road as the song for the boss.
Suspect Songs for sh*ts and giggles (I would only test a certain piece of infrastructure rn)
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If (bad idea do not debate this please for my sanity) we tested anything dropping
in gen 10 it has to be Believer - Imagine Dragons because Ape's viability is literally made from pain.(and in lower tiers, if
is ever banned, Flowers - Miley Cyrus)all right but have you considered:Oh i know, I just wanted a Bon Jovi suspect song. Its like how if (keyword if) we suspected Raging Bolt, I would go with Thunder Road as the song for the boss.
Suspect Songs for sh*ts and giggles (I would only test a certain piece of infrastructure rn)
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If (bad idea do not debate this please for my sanity) we tested anything dropping
the body electric - rush one little victory - rush jacob's ladder - rush between sun and moon - rush the speed of love - rush a farewell to kings - rush the big money - rush mission - rush
Could easily fit in In the Court of the Crimson King forOh i know, I just wanted a Bon Jovi suspect song. Its like how if (keyword if) we suspected Raging Bolt, I would go with Thunder Road as the song for the boss.
Suspect Songs for sh*ts and giggles (I would only test a certain piece of infrastructure rn)
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If (bad idea do not debate this please for my sanity) we tested anything dropping
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I appreciate your post and will definitely try some of these out! Tbh I think if you need to use max SpD AV Lando or Hippowdon, then that’s a sign a Mon needs to go lol.
what’s your reasoning behind it not being broken? Interested to hear your thoughts. There are so few checks in rain, I have trouble believing it’s not problematic. It’s so difficult to switch in and out of without taking huge chip.
Big agree. There are broken mons in that list but those three are totally fine in my book.
senorlopez
Formerly Ricardo [old]
Goes to show first impressions aren't everything (sorry)