Pokémon Talonflame

[fightnugget]

i like rhyperior and used it an unstealthy rock to check talonflame for a while, but most talonflame run u-turn and rhyperior is such an obvious switch-in that it's not hard to predict a u-turn on the switch and bring out something that will slay rhypy killing your momentum.

 

[Yellow Cheese]

The thing is letting your thing die, tham switch rhyperior in.

 

[skies]

I like Natural Gift as well:
252 Atk Salac Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Fighting) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 292-348 (72.2 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Salac Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Fighting) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 292-348 (72.2 - 86.1%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes
If you get up Spikes + Stealth Rock then you can instantly beat Tyranitar.

 

[Prinz]

Maybe Liechy Berry Natural Gift Talon? I mean, Salac Berry NG is something really useful too but Rotom-W tends to switch more often than Tyranitar on Talon (and it's more common as well) because Tyranitar would take a ton from a U-Turn boosted by choice band and it gets wrecked by +2 Natural Gift if Talon has Liechy Berry. It's something p nice in combination of Brave Bird, that allows Talon to hit even harder when it's bout to die. And this can be crucial, especially when facing Stall teams.

 

[termi]

Here is an unorthodox set that gets a lot of surprise kills and is difficult to shut down:

EVs: 248 Atk / 252 SpA / 8 Spe
Nature: Naughty
Item: Life Orb
- Brave Bird
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ground / Hidden Power Ice
- U-Turn / Roost

8 Spe outspeeds 252 Spe Rash Kyu-B, so you can use Fire Blast against it, which hits it for similar damage with Brave Bird but doesn't have recoil. This set can 2HKO many of Talonflame's usual switch-ins, such as Hippowdon, Landorus-T, Heatran, Gliscor, and Krookodile, while also not suffering recoil to kill Pokemon with your Fire STAB. U-turn covers nicely Tyranitar, Rotom-W, and Rotom-H, and with SR up, basically means that nothing other than Slowbro is a safe switch-in. Hidden Power Ice is also a nice way to say fuck you to Rocky Helmet Garchomp, a Pokemon offensive teams love to use to fuck up Talonflame. Here are some calcs:

• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hippowdon: 211-250 (50.2 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-T: 192-227 (50.2 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 204-242 (57.6 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Krookodile: 216-255 (54.8 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0+ SpD Heatran: 203-244 (62.6 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (or 2HKO with BB + HP Ground with SR in play)
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 166-198 (43 - 51.2%) -- 47.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-T: 286-338 (74.8 - 88.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 296-354 (83.6 - 100%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 270-322 (64.2 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

So, just set up SR, get this boy in freely, and start having fun. This set can also wallbreak against balanced or bulky offense teams, so you can either use it early game to bust some holes or keep it for late-game if you see some threatening sweeper. Either way, you should definitely have another revenge killer as this set likes to come in early-game to do some damage, and sometimes it won't make it to late-game.

stronk 81/74 offenses bery gud mixed set!!!! :o

I call it alexfowl© (original idea donut steal :o)

 

[alexwolf]

stronk 81/74 offenses bery gud mixed set!!!! :o

I call it alexfowl© (original idea donut steal :o)

Yeah, it's funny how Talonflame manages to pull this off even with those pathetic offensive stats, clearly due to priority on Brave Bird (which gives him a lot of utility even if it doesn't wallbreak) and good STABs.

 

[termi]

Yeah, it's funny how Talonflame manages to pull this off even with those pathetic offensive stats, clearly due to priority on Brave Bird (which gives him a lot of utility even if it doesn't wallbreak) and good STABs.

lol I honestly don't know if this would be really good but I'll try this on my SubPunch Sableye team who knows what it will bring :)

 

[TooMuchSugar]

Here is an unorthodox set that gets a lot of surprise kills and is difficult to shut down:

EVs: 248 Atk / 252 SpA / 8 Spe
Nature: Naughty
Item: Life Orb
- Brave Bird
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ground / Hidden Power Ice
- U-Turn / Roost

8 Spe outspeeds 252 Spe Rash Kyu-B, so you can use Fire Blast against it, which hits it for similar damage with Brave Bird but doesn't have recoil. This set can 2HKO many of Talonflame's usual switch-ins, such as Hippowdon, Landorus-T, Heatran, Gliscor, and Krookodile, while also not suffering recoil to kill Pokemon with your Fire STAB. U-turn covers nicely Tyranitar, Rotom-W, and Rotom-H, and with SR up, basically means that nothing other than Slowbro is a safe switch-in. Hidden Power Ice is also a nice way to say fuck you to Rocky Helmet Garchomp, a Pokemon offensive teams love to use to fuck up Talonflame. Here are some calcs:

• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hippowdon: 211-250 (50.2 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-T: 192-227 (50.2 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 204-242 (57.6 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Krookodile: 216-255 (54.8 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0+ SpD Heatran: 203-244 (62.6 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (or 2HKO with BB + HP Ground with SR in play)
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 166-198 (43 - 51.2%) -- 47.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-T: 286-338 (74.8 - 88.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 296-354 (83.6 - 100%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
• 252 SpA Life Orb Talonflame Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 270-322 (64.2 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

So, just set up SR, get this boy in freely, and start having fun. This set can also wallbreak against balanced or bulky offense teams, so you can either use it early game to bust some holes or keep it for late-game if you see some threatening sweeper. Either way, you should definitely have another revenge killer as this set likes to come in early-game to do some damage, and sometimes it won't make it to late-game.

I feel like you might as well go for Overheat over Fire Blast, since the extra 20 base power (and 5 accuracy) can be very helpful, and Talon doesn't care all that much about the SpA drop anyway since it can follow up with a Brave Bird. I'm not sure whether it will get you any extra KOs, though.

 

[Punchshroom]

I feel like you might as well go for Overheat over Fire Blast, since the extra 20 base power (and 5 accuracy) can be very helpful, and Talon doesn't care all that much about the SpA drop anyway since it can follow up with a Brave Bird. I'm not sure whether it will get you any extra KOs, though.

Fire Blast is what allows Talonflame to 2HKO bulky Grounds; Overheat's Special Attack drop means the second one won't do them in.

 

[voidfire2215]

So...aggron destroys this bird, so long as dugtrio isn't backng him up. Just sayin

 

[SCIENCE!!!]

I have my own set i use, and it is really effective IMO.
Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk
Naughty Nature
IVs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SDef
- Acrobatics
- Flame charge
- Swords Dance
- U-turn
OK, so here is the plan. Come in after one of you pokes die, and use Sd. Their attack will bring you to 1 hp. +2 252+ 110 BP STAB priority is awesome and can hurt a LOT! Flame charge is here for fire STAB and a speed boost is nice. Do not use flare blitz, because if you do, you will die. U turn is for an opponent you can't really kill.
Long live Sash talon!

 

[NoahStar]

Here's a really cool set that I'd really like to try for Talonflame.

Talonflame @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4HP
Adamant Nature
-Swords Dance
-Acrobatics
-Flare Blitz
-Natural Gift

+2 252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-W: 264-312 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

The idea is to lure Rotom-W into SR twice then OHKO with a 100 BP Natural Gift. Afterwards, you're usually free to sweep with Acrobatics. The tricky part is keeping your rocks up for Rotom-W to switch into.

 

[Aragorn the King]

Here's a really cool set that I'd really like to try for Talonflame.

Talonflame @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4HP
Adamant Nature
-Swords Dance
-Acrobatics
-Flare Blitz
-Natural Gift

+2 252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-W: 264-312 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

The idea is to lure Rotom-W into SR twice then OHKO with a 100 BP Natural Gift. Afterwards, you're usually free to sweep with Acrobatics. The tricky part is keeping your rocks up for Rotom-W to switch into.

Am I missing something that you did? Natural gift from Liechi berry is only 80 bp, at least to my knowledge.

 

[NoahStar]

Am I missing something that you did? Natural gift from Liechi berry is only 80 bp, at least to my knowledge.

I thought so too but the damage calcs keep showing it as a 100 BP move O.o

 

[Forsety]

Am I missing something that you did? Natural gift from Liechi berry is only 80 bp, at least to my knowledge.

Some Natural Gift berry types were buffed to 90 and 100 BP this gen, Liechi Berry was one of the ones to get a 100 BP buff. Also I've been on the receiving end of a Natural Gift Talonflame and I can tell you it's the most unpleasant thing ever, it just spits on the traditional counters.

 

[Aragorn the King]

Some Natural Gift berry types were buffed to 90 and 100 BP this gen, Liechi Berry was one of the ones to get a 100 BP buff.

Interesting. Someone should tell Bulbapedia...

Anyway, it actually does seem like a sound strategy to use, although...

Here's a really cool set that I'd really like to try for Talonflame.

Talonflame @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4HP
Adamant Nature
-Swords Dance
-Acrobatics
-Flare Blitz
-Natural Gift

+2 252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Rotom-W: 264-312 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

The idea is to lure Rotom-W into SR twice then OHKO with a 100 BP Natural Gift. Afterwards, you're usually free to sweep with Acrobatics. The tricky part is keeping your rocks up for Rotom-W to switch into.

Why aren't you using a defense boosting nature on Rotom?
+2 252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 240-284 (78.9 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Thorhammer]

Am I missing something that you did? Natural gift from Liechi berry is only 80 bp, at least to my knowledge.

From what I understand all berries were buffed by 20 BP this gen, or something similar.

Regardless, as common as Rotom-W is, a one-shot Natural Gift that you have to burn before you get proper Flying STAB seems very questionable...

 

[TaBuu]

From what I understand all berries were buffed by 20 BP this gen, or something similar.

Regardless, as common as Rotom-W is, a one-shot Natural Gift that you have to burn before you get proper Flying STAB seems very questionable...

Liechi Berry Talonflame is more of a dedicated Rotom Wash Lure than a sweeper in my opinion. Lacking a powerful priority Flying STAB from the get go would usually be a bit of a problem. But in this case its a lure variant so having to use a weak Acrobatics for a while is totally fine.
I always knew Talonflame was going to be a great OU Pokemon but damn. Talonflame is too good lol

 

[blizzarddd]

So...aggron destroys this bird, so long as dugtrio isn't backng him up. Just sayin

252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Filter Mega Aggron: 168-199 (48.8 - 57.8%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO

and even though no one runs this set,
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Filter Mega Aggron: 150-177 (43.6 - 51.4%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Filter Mega Aggron: 150-177 (43.6 - 51.4%) -- 57.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

any sort of prior damage means max HP max defense mega aggron still loses..

 

[Ryolain]

Also:

4 SpA Talonflame Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mega Aggron: 166-198 (48.2 - 57.5%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO

So…yeah. MAggron has absolutely no business trying to counter any TF sets.

 

[CárterX]

I have my own set i use, and it is really effective IMO.
Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SDef
- Acrobatics
- Flame charge
- Swords Dance
- U-turn
OK, so here is the plan. Come in after one of you pokes die, and use Sd. Their attack will bring you to 1 hp. +2 252+ 110 BP STAB priority is awesome and can hurt a LOT! Flame charge is here for fire STAB and a speed boost is nice. Do not use flare blitz, because if you do, you will die. U turn is for an opponent you can't really kill.
Long live Sash talon!

This is an interesting set, however, wouldn't it be a better idea to run Lonely or Naughty instead of Adamant, and drop the 4 HP EVs?

 

[NoahStar]

Why aren't you using a defense boosting nature on Rotom?
+2 252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 240-284 (78.9 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Haha stupid damage calcs keep saying that Rotom-W's most popular set is still the Sp.Def set....this isn't gen 5 anymore >.>

+2 252+ Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 240-284 (78.9 - 93.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock


So this lure is still shaky at best since you still have to have Rotom-W switch into SR twice (which means keeping SR up that long) and get a Swords Dance off, but it can really catch people by surprise.

 

[Orga777]

I honestly don't think Natural Gift is good on Talonflame. Personally, it's just a waste of an item slot. Then again, I have a very interesting Talonflame...

Talonflame (Adamant/ Jolly)
EV: 252 Atk/ 150 HP, 106 Spe
Item: Leftovers/ Shell Bell
Ability: Gale Wings (Flame Body would also work quite well)
Move Set:
Substitute/ Roost
Brave Bird
Will-o-Wisp/ Roost
Swords Dance/ Substitite

I notice Steel types destroy this set, but the reason I run this set, is mainly that Talonflame's attack stat is... Well kinda sucky. Everyone is going crazy over priority, well yes, it is a good revenge killer, honestly it doesn't work well for anything else. Talonflame just isn't so amazing. Staraptor is a much better choice in my opinion, even if it doesn't have priority, it doesn't have that horrible x4 rock weakness.

The attack may not be great, but you can easily circumvent that with either a Bulk-Up set, a Life Orb, or even better, Choice Band. Choice Band Talonflame is a nightmare. The thing can just BB all day long till it dies. Sure, it has a x4 weakness to SR, but comboed with a good Rapid Spinner or Defogger, and it shouldn't be an issue. It can punch so many holes in teams that it is actually kinda silly. Has a good pressure game, and it can learn U-Turn to scout out what your opponent tries to do.

 

[The Lucky Absol]

The attack may not be great, but you can easily circumvent that with either a Bulk-Up set, a Life Orb, or even better, Choice Band. Choice Band Talonflame is a nightmare. The thing can just BB all day long till it dies. Sure, it has a x4 weakness to SR, but comboed with a good Rapid Spinner or Defogger, and it shouldn't be an issue. It can punch so many holes in teams that it is actually kinda silly. Has a good pressure game, and it can learn U-Turn to scout out what your opponent tries to do.

This. I did some damage calculations a while ago, and found that Adamant Talonflame's Brave bird with a choice band is more powerful than Mega Absol's Sucker Punch.
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 246-289 (84.2 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Mega Absol Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 168-198 (57.5 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
And just to show the power it has, lets see how much a choice banded Mega Absol would do.
252+ Atk Choice Band Mega Absol Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 250-295 (85.6 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

The sheer power of a priority brave bird from a choice band Talonflame is insane.

 

[JMach]

There are a number of physically defensive mons that Talonflame really doesn't enjoy. Talonflame is a good mon and everything but I haven't really had a problem with it for months now.