US Congress Preparing to Pass Net Filter Bill

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Yeah, but they are still trying over here. It's a real pain, and I can remember a year ago when everyone thought it was almost a certainty. Lucky it sort of went away a bit.
 
This is Congress we're talking about, it won't pass. I'm not worried.

As the article states, if there's a legitimate reason a site should not be accessed, it should be removed completely, not just blocked. I think some of the examples in the article are a bit extreme though, as I highy (highly) doubt persons in power will block entire websites because certain users on the site break copyright or other restrictions. EDIT: If the web administrators refuse to do anything about it though that's another story.
 

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I don't think you understand how much lobbying power the entertainment industry has in the United States, Veedrock.
 
This is Congress we're talking about, it won't pass. I'm not worried.

As the article states, if there's a legitimate reason a site should not be accessed, it should be removed completely, not just blocked.
Firstly, the US government can't remove sites not hosted in the US.

Secondly, you can block a site without having to go to its owners. Also ISPs are often much bigger and more regulated than web hosts - and can thus less easily refuse to comply.

Thirdly, there's the cynical viewpoint that the government would LOVE to have a universal web filter in place. Just like the up-and-coming superpower China has.
 
Even though the Executive branch has the power to veto this, I bet those scums at Congress will override his veto and make the U.S. become China and Iran in terms of censorship.

Hooray U.S., I love you, but this is going too far.
 
Man, it's shit like this that has me yearning for the days of simple tribal warfare.. at least then you knew who your enemies were - now they're hiding behind companies, lobby groups and politicians..
 
I'll watch this closely, but as of now I don't necessarily think there is high chance of this passing.

But there is of course always the risk of campaigns using copyright protection as a way to get the general public to agree with this.

As Firestorm said the entertainment industry has a lot of lobbying power, I mean after all we're a capitalist country. Money and business are in control.
 
Copyright wasn't how they'd sell it here (and increasingly the argument of "it protects artists" is falling flat as more artists come out with stories of how the big corporations use copyright law to rip them off, just like the creators of Superman); they tried the "DO YOU WANT YOUR KIDS EXPOSED TO CHILD PORN?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111ONEONE"
 
This is a really good point to study proxies and download 24/7 now. I hate how digital things are taken so seriously; if something sucks, it will die to piracy and fall into cult status at the best; if something's good, the money lost just can't be detrimental to people who actually work hard at what they do to make sure people will buy it.



I'm buying SC2 because it goes out of its way to be worth my money, and I'm not swimming in hundreds of free cash. Hopefully share sites will not be taken down.
 
if something's good, the money lost just can't be detrimental to people who actually work hard at what they do to make sure people will buy it.
You are seriously naive if you think people that pirate something will always buy it if they truly like it.
 
Of course people can't always buy it but really, it's pretty hard to find stuff on the internet unless it's remotely popular, so someone must've made money off of it at some point.

And do artists really expect us to be able to buy all the music we listen to? I've got like 100+ albums on my iPod alone, that's anywhere from like, 1000 to 3000 dollars, and that's fucking ridiculous. But if I have the money I do buy CD's if I can find them.

Piracy is promotion too. Think of Internet Renaissance, if someone recommends some music in the 2010 music thread or whatever, would I give it a single thought if I had to BUY it before hearing it? Hell no. But since I can download and listen to albums first, I check out almost everything I can. Do I like all of it? No of course not. But in that case, I wouldn't have bought it before I heard it, and I won't buy it after. But in the case that I hear something I really like, I buy it. I wouldn't have if it wasn't for being able to hear it beforehand.

+1 artist/+1 piracy

Win win motherfuckers.
 
You are seriously naive if you think people that pirate something will always buy it if they truly like it.
This was proved by the figures coming out of the PirateBay lawsuit.

Dividing the amount asked for for the number of cases charged, then multiplying by the estimated number of downloads yields more money than exists in the world.

It would in fact be impossible for everyone who downloaded to have bought it legitimately.
 
Just to add to what Scicky said, even if he'd been forced to buy music because there was no alternative, he likely wouldn't purchased nearly as many songs as he presently has. Why should so many consumers have to suffer when there is a cheaper, more efficient way to acquire the same thing, without causing any real loss.

Artists need to work on providing something to get money from consumers. For instance, I'm about to purchase this shirt from a band, as well as a $5 poster. If the design was slightly better, I'd be willing to pay $25 or maybe even more for a band shirt, as I am quite a fan of Giant Drag. Now, they have another shirt out that I am much more fond of, but it's not sold through their band merchandise page that is linked to on their website, and I question if they even receive compensation for sales of this shirt. Also, I can't seem to find that shirt in my size anywhere (I'm not a particularly odd size, either, a bit smaller than the average guy, but I've only been able to find extremely large men's or various women's sizes).

Rather than huffing and puffing about piracy, artists should move away from these greedy cretins and work on doing honest, intelligent business. They're also going to need to accept that piracy is just the way business goes now.

Edit: It's my lucky day, when I was getting the image for the second shirt, I was lazy in the search terms I used, which brought up a site that seems to have it in my size (I didn't even notice until after I wrote the post). Maybe they just added the shirt, as it's been about a month since I looked... And the shirt is $36, oy vey, but I like this band so much that I am actually considering it. While this situation has had it's hitches, this is mostly the way things should be and will likely end up being in the future.
 

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The bill was tabled on September 30th until after the elections. So, minor victory.

The EFF is tracking this story closely if anyone wants to follow it.
 

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