Yung Dramps
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Some quick things to address here.sry if this post seems rushed, but i want to reply to this. All of those pokemon florges 'walls' have ways around it. If gren is protean gunk shot it beats it and if it has rocks and 1 layer of spikes up it wins, sab can cripple it w/ knock, koko can volt switch and specs 2hkos after rocks, zam wins if its cm, blace 2hkos w/ specs fb and sub cm gets free setup, zyg can win w/ groundium (which is an actual set, albeit uncommon), cm keld wins after sr, pelipper 2hkos w/ specs hydro and synthesis is weakened by rain, rotom can volt switch, and tang can knock. It also baits in a ton of pokemon like heatran, and every steel in the tier really. Gives mons like volc, mage and cm blace free setup, and has 4mss, so u have to run synthesis for recovery to be able to fit more important moves like defog and heal bell. Those replays dont rly show much of worth bc theyre all around 1400-1500, which still is full of dumb low ladder shit and the players in the replays ,ade a few crucial misplays, for example, in the second replay, the player stayed in on koko w/ steela, their only florges answer, for no good reason. Florges also loses to common hazard setters like ferro, heatran, cm clef, excadrill, suicide lead gren, etc. so ye, dont rank florges.
-Specs Blacephalon does not 2HKO with Lefties intact: 252 SpA Choice Specs Blacephalon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges: 160-189 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
-Specs Koko 2HKOing after Rocks is also false, it's a roll w/o lefties: 252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges in Electric Terrain: 142-168 (39.4 - 46.6%) -- 31.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
-Protean Greninja wins with Gunk Shot, yes, but I never said it beat Protean: I said it beat Ash-Greninja.
-You yourself say Groundium Zygarde is uncommon. And yeah, it is uncommon. Like, <5% usage common on the top of the ladder no less. In lower levels, it doesn't even reach 3% usage. I don't think it's that much of a big deal.
-Tang and Sableye can Knock Off Florges, but they still lose 1v1.
Everything else you said is, admittedly, true. Florges' niche is a specially bulky defogger that isn't weak to Electric moves and doesn't fear Stealth Rock as much as Mantine. It's also one of the only hazard removers that can fit cleric support like Wish and Heal Bell into its moveset. It's a fairly specific niche, hence why I have nominated it for C.