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accomplish as much as you can before dying.
This is true. may I elaborate...The meaning of life is for me, to worship God. To those who say the world is accidental, think about this: When you walk into a building, do you think, "What accident made this?" No, you don't think that, you know someone put time and effort into building it. Do you think something just went boom and made everything around us? No way! Someone had to have designed this world because people are way to complicated for us to be an accident.
Actually it is more like your great great great great great grandfather twice removed committed a crime, and you are guilty for his crime despite the fact that he was already punished for it.It's like this: we are in court, guilty of a terrible crime. then a man we've never seen before walks in and pays our fine, and sets us free. this man is Jesus, and that's what he did for us.
He probably means sin in general when he says "a terrible crime" and not just the adam and eve fruit incident.Actually it is more like your great great great great great grandfather twice removed committed a crime, and you are guilty for his crime despite the fact that he was already punished for it.
Also that would be a fucked up justice system. I'd rather pay for my wrongdoings than be indebted to someone that fucked over the justice system by buying me out of trouble.
That sounds terribly convoluted. Why not just, you know, forgive us? What kind of imbecile would send their son to *die* just so that they could forgive sinners? If you loved everyone despite all the wrongdoings they did, would you really send you own fucking son for them to KILL, thereby giving them a way for you to forgive them and let them into heaven? What kind of twisted fuck would that make you?Because God did something really amazing. see, God is perfect. and to be with him, he demands we be perfect as well. but obviously, we are not perfect. But God loves us so much, that even though we have sinned against him, he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.
No, it's like this: we are in court, guilty of a terrible crime (our ancestors ate an apple - go figure), then a man we've never seen before walks in, but he doesn't pay the fine. No. He DIES. No, worse. We KILL HIM (an even more terrible crime than the one we were previously guilty of). And somehow that sets us free. Because apparently, death is like paying a fine. Apparently, this is what God needed to see in order to let us off the hook.It's like this: we are in court, guilty of a terrible crime. then a man we've never seen before walks in and pays our fine, and sets us free. this man is Jesus, and that's what he did for us.
rofl. I might just sig that.It's as if God was some kind of devourer of souls, and to content him, just like Pagan gods, we had to make sacrifices, the ultimate of which would be his own son. A sacrifice so yummy that God is full and all is forgiven. Well, that's all fine and dandy, but maybe you should call your God by his rightful name: Cthulhu. And trust me, we are not made in his image, nor would we ever want to be.
Allow me to explain:That sounds terribly convoluted. Why not just, you know, forgive us? What kind of imbecile would send their son to *die* just so that they could forgive sinners? If you loved everyone despite all the wrongdoings they did, would you really send you own fucking son for them to KILL, thereby giving them a way for you to forgive them and let them into heaven? What kind of twisted fuck would that make you?
No, it's like this: we are in court, guilty of a terrible crime (our ancestors ate an apple - go figure), then a man we've never seen before walks in, but he doesn't pay the fine. No. He DIES. No, worse. We KILL HIM (an even more terrible crime than the one we were previously guilty of). And somehow that sets us free. Because apparently, death is like paying a fine. Apparently, this is what God needed to see in order to let us off the hook.
It's as if God was some kind of devourer of souls, and to content him, just like Pagan gods, we had to make sacrifices, the ultimate of which would be his own son. A sacrifice so yummy that God is full and all is forgiven. Well, that's all fine and dandy, but maybe you should call your God by his rightful name: Cthulhu. And trust me, we are not made in his image, nor would we ever want to be.
I'm sorry you believe this. and no, it's okay, you didn't tear apart the core believe of my religion :). no harm done!@ Dragonking700
Just noting that if there is a God he created pain and death. Ultimately that would make him responsible for everything bad. Which makes him an asshole. Not even close to perfect. It's even worse if Jesus was God, as that means he experienced both in one of the worst ways possible and still thought the world was all hunky-dory and the human condition was just fine. News flash, it's not. If you looked around you, you'd realize that if God exists he doesn't give a rat's ass about us. If you try to justify this by saying this life is a test, than I'm sorry, but Jesus/God flat-out failed it. As for the free will argument you're bound to throw at me, just note that "God" doesn't give you a choice over whether you die, who you are etc., and if there's a final judgment, where you go. Since he's "perfect", I doubt you think he can be argued with. Oh, and you wouldn't have any choice over what you could do in heaven/hell/purgatory/whatever. Making the whole point moot. I'm sorry, did I just completely tear apart the core beliefs of your religion? My bad.
I think you can guess I don't think life has any meaning. Hence my ironic name appealing to my nihilistic sense of humor.
Actually, there's considerable debate about this principle. The mere retributive factor can legitimately be considered incidental or even nonexistent. Other motivations for sanction are: deterrant (whether before the crime is committed, preventing recidivism or extended audience), reparations/compensation, rehabilitation, protection of the public.Allow me to explain:
1st of all. If someone commits a crime, they deserve to be punished. If a man raped a child, you would obviously want him to be punished. what would you think of a man who thought the rapist should go free?
Why are they a little bit selfish? They're not self-concerned here at all. Let's say, to help your argument, that the coworker was fired for something they didn't do and everyone knows it wasn't their fault and that they should not have been fired. Even if that's the case, the fact that they find the baby-rape more offensive doesn't make them self-interested; they simply recognise that the baby has less of a way to protect itself against attack, the person who got fired can replace their work (whereas a victim raped is raped forever), the nature of the crime.now, what if your coworker was fired. you might be sad for him, but considerably less people would care if their coworker was fired, as apposed to a child being raped. those are people we would judge as "a little bit selfish" not to care if their coworker got fired.
Perfect and good are not the words you mean here. Perfection would normally imply some sense of tolerance and acceptance, but that's not here. A better word is probably 'pure' because it has the secondary meaning of being "entirely homogenous", i.e. it is the embodiment/avatar of a particular group of concepts.God is SO perfect, that he cannot stand the SLIGHTEST sin. imagine how good you must be if you can't stand even the smallest sin. that's why God cannot just forgive us. because he is JUST!
This paragraph is fine in terms of logic (i.e. the death of someone sinless counts for more spiritual value than one who has a certain level of contamination), although since we die anyway, I'm not really clear on death is the punishment... do you mean damnation to hell after death or something?and also, the court thing was an analogy. the judge is God. the fine is the punishment for sin, which is DEATH. Jesus paid the fine, which was DEATH. but since he had lived a perfect life, his death counted for every single person.
And Jesus loved us, and did lay down his life because he loved us.
Amen to that.Nothing. God has been around since the beginning of time, and even before then. He is timeless.
This calls for an explanation of what they call the Anthropic Principle.IMO I do believe in god because i cant imagine all of this being just an accident.Life has advanced this far with what you may call unbelievable strokes of "Luck".Something so convenient as a perfect planet which is at a perfect distance from a star which also is of the perfect size to burn for billions of years in which life can evolve.
He mentioned this above. Within heaven you don't have free will.Also what do you think would happen if you sinned in Heaven? God promises eternal paradise. Would he go back on his promise and send you to hell forever, or are you incapable of sin while in Heaven? If it is the latter than I would imagine that you are somehow robbed of your free will while in Heaven.
Yes i do agree that if we didnt have this "Luck" we would not be able to observe this condition.But i just take the fact that infact the earth was "lucky" enough to exist in a perfect galaxy in which all the necessary ingrediants were there for life so that i could observe it as a sign that there is master creator.Idk thats just the way i see itThis calls for an explanation of what they call the Anthropic Principle.
It is not "lucky" that the planet is the perfect distance away from the perfectly sized sun. It is, in fact, the only way it could be. The fact that we are here to observe the condition automatically means that the conditions must be suitable for life. We could never observe that our planet is unsuitable for harbouring life, because if it were, we wouldn't be there to observe it.
Consider a puddle in a pothole in the road that happens to look like Texas. From the puddle's point of view, the pothole is the perfect shape for it. The puddle is shaped like Texas, and the pothole is shaped like Texas. The puddle thinks that someone must have created this pothole just for it to sit in, it fits so perfectly.
The upshot is that there is nothing 'lucky' about it; there is nothing at all significant about the 'perfectness' of the galaxy because there is no other way it could be. Purely because there is life in this galaxy, it follows that the galaxy MUST be capable of supporting life.Yes i do agree that if we didnt have this "Luck" we would not be able to observe this condition.But i just take the fact that infact the earth was "lucky" enough to exist in a perfect galaxy in which all the necessary ingrediants were there for life so that i could observe it as a sign that there is master creator.Idk thats just the way i see it
Im sorry if this seems blurry but i suck at english >_<
There is no such thing as a 'perfect' galaxy Noob.But i just take the fact that infact the earth was "lucky" enough to exist in a perfect galaxy
Just curious, which ones?Hell life isn't even "perfectly" adapted for this planet alone, as some species of bacteria and microorganisms have shown the capability of surviving in the vaccuum of space for extended periods of time.