You are a type specialist in a hostile region. How do you best represent your chosen element?

QuentinQuonce

formerly green_typhlosion
Hey there. I've been looking into this thread for a while now and think is a pretty unique idea. Whenever the next team building round starts up, I'd love to participate, but for the time being I have a few questions I wanted to ask, if you don't mind. Thanks in advance for reading this post :)

1. This one's more of a personal curiosity question, but I was wondering what kinds of selection criteria you were using to decide which types and which games are suitable for this thread. I get the whole "limited options for this type" theme, but do you have some kind of cutoff line or do you just kind of wing it for fun?

2. Around the time your thread went up, I had a very similar idea for a thread I wanted to post, where I would collect ideas of what kinds of teams people would make. We can chat in PMs if you want the finer details if you're interested, but just to be safe I wanted to at least ask permission to go forward with this, since I don't want you to feel like I'd be copying your idea.
1. Basically "which types are rare in which regions". I've got a list drawn up of combinations. Cutoff line would be fewer than six fully evolved Pokemon of a given type.

2. Sure, feel free to PM. Only checking intermittently atm as I'm abroad rn but should be able to respond before too long.
 
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QuentinQuonce

formerly green_typhlosion
Good morning! After conferring, Just A Seaking and I have decided on our next question...

You are a Fairy-type specialist in ORAS Hoenn. How do you best represent your chosen type?
ORAS dex is here: https://www.serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/hoenndex.shtml

You have until June 13th, 9PM GMT to make your case! After that, I'll list the usernames of everyone who responded and people can vote for the winner.
 
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There are more Fairy types in ORAS than I expected! I think this would end up being the "default" Fairy type team for Hoenn which isn't super exciting unfortunately, but it's still pretty solid. Gardevoir, Azumarill, Mawile and Wigglytuff are the only available Fairy types in ORAS Hoenn and are all pretty iconic! Gardevoir has "ace Pokemon" vibes going for it, Azumarill makes for a solid bruiser via Huge Power, Mawile can be great for debuffing enemies and Wigglytuff... is a giant HP bar? They're all cute and capable of doing a lot for a gym team.

Altaria got a Fairy type Mega Evolution in this game, but I'm not expecting that to be available for my gym battle so Altaria made it on other merits besides that. It learns a good selection of Fairy type moves including Moonblast (a move a lot of Fairy types don't get such as Wigglytuff, Hatterene, Togekiss and Alcremie) which is quite surprising, it has cute faerie dragon vibes and if you read it's Omega Ruby Pokedex entry: "Altaria dances and wheels through the sky among billowing, cotton-like clouds. By singing melodies in its crystal-clear voice, this Pokémon makes its listeners experience dreamy wonderment." - Fairy type, easy.

Froslass is my final team member - it fits the more trickster/malicious aspect of faerie lore than my team of round cuties which is good, gives my team an edge. It does get a Fairy type move via level-up in Draining Kiss (not that it's necessary to fit, but I would want my Fairy gym team to know a Fairy type move) and it's part of the Fairy egg group! I found that to be a better fit than some of the Bug types or Milotic which I also considered, so here it is.
 
I am going to be pretty simple this round:

:mawile: Item: Rock Helmet. Ability: Intimidate. Moves: Stealth Rock, Iron Head, Knock Off, Play Rough. Its a Fairy, so nothing to explain. Its the Stealth Rock lead.

:wigglytuff: Item: Leftovers. Moves: Thunder Wave, Dazzling Gleam, Flamethrower, Psychic. Another Fairy. This one paralyzes and hits with offensive moves.

:azumarill: Item: Assault Vest. Ability: Huge Power. Moves: Waterfall, Play Rough, Ice Punch, Aqua Jet. Another Fairy. After Wigglytuff paralyzes something and dies, Azumarill runs through the opposing team, tanking hits and hitting very hard.

:gallade: Item: White Herb. Moves: Close Combat, Psycho Cut, Charm, Leaf Blade. This one is not a Fairy, but his whole family is, as well as Iron Valiant. To show how it has a Fairy reference, it has Charm in the moveset, which is a Fairy move.

:gardevoir: Item: Life Orb. Moves: Moonblast, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Focus Blast. Back to actual Fairies. This could have been the Ace and probably many people will choose it as such. Even without being the ace, Gardevoir is a very strong Pokemon and blows holes in the challenger's teams before the actual ace appears.

:altaria: Item: Altarianite. Moves: Dragon Dance, Body Slam, Earthquake, Fire Blast. In a classic Paldean tradition, the ace Mon is not a Fairy type but becomes one during the battle. Remember Winona's Altaria in Emerald? This one is an upgraded version of it, it uses Dragon Dance and cleans.
 

Celever

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OK, TBH this prompt is fairly simple (the 4 fairies + Altaria + wildcard) so I am gonna take the character route to make it more interesting than that. Mainly because I think there's a pretty easy connection to make between several of these mons and other, fairy-like mons in the dex. This means I'm not using every Fairy-Type in the game (cue gasp).

I am designing a post-game rematch team. You don't battle me during the main adventure, but my facility hosts the rematch system (a la Battleground) in post-game and in order to unlock the feature you have to beat me. We will also be fighting in a double battle.

So the character I'm going with is someone who works in a lounge. They and their Pokémon cater to the guests and perform, and in general there's a musical theme happening.
:xy/altaria-mega: is the headline act that performs during the peak evening hours. It's a little pampered as a result of being a superstar, as "by singing melodies in its crystal-clear voice, this Pokémon makes its listeners experience dreamy wonderment." As you only battle me in the post-game I'm megaing this guy, no reason not to. This is a Fairy-Type, doesn't really need justification.
:xy/gardevoir: dances while Altaria sings creating a truly magnificent spectacle. Later on when the night shift comes, it instead works as a waitress, tending to the needs of customers using its emotional intelligence. This is a Fairy-Type, doesn't really need justification.
:xy/wigglytuff: Once Altaria has finished its performance and the night-time clientele comes in, Wigglytuff takes over the singing duties. Wigglytuff sets a relaxed atmosphere that makes the lounge perfect after a long day at work and makes the clients buy drinks and make us profit. This is a Fairy-Type, doesn't really need justification.
:xy/chimecho: provides the instrumentation for the performances, since it can produce several different tones and notes by echoing the wind that passes through its body. As for the justification why this is a Fairy-Type... why is it a Psychic-Type? :sphearical: Looking at its lore to try and make a Fairy-Type connection has made me realise this should just be a Normal-Type Pokémon lol. Literally its only power is sound. So if it can be Psychic-Type it can also be on a Fairy-Type theme where it fits thematically. It's also only encountered in Fairy Land in Pokémon Rumble World. Checkmate.
:xy/delcatty: is just the lounge cat. All the best lounges / pubs etc. have a pet and this one has a cat. Delcatty and Skitty learn Normal- and Fairy-Type moves by levelup (and Payback and Wake-Up Slap) in gen 6, in modern gens Wake-Up Slap got cut so its Fairy-Type link is even stronger. If I were doing the standard the 5 Fairy-Type Pokémon + one, my one would be Delcatty. It's in the Fairy Egg Group, has that connection to night time that is good enough for the rabbits... honestly if Fairy-Type were made before Normalize was I'm 100% sure Delcatty would have gotten retyped.
:xy/azumarill: Finally, Azumarill provides the bubbles for the hookahs. It was this or this lounge actually also having a pool that Azumarill works as the lifeguard in. Or it provides water to the guests but I'm not entirely sure drinking rabbit water is advisable. I think I made the right choice adding hookahs. (Azumarill can make bubbles at will).

So all in all with the theme I didn't include Mawile and included Chimecho instead. Yeah, not necessarily expecting to win, but taking the more imaginative root was fun. If you want to treat this as the 5 Fairy-Types (including Altaria-Mega as existing which it does in ORAS) + Delcatty feel free to do so, that's what I would have done if I weren't trying to be creative :worrycargo:

Whoops, posted without making the team. Went full on flavour this time around intead of the team being good, per se. Not that it's terrible, either.

Chimecho
Ability: Levitate
- Heal Bell
- Helping Hand
- Round
- Dazzling Gleam



Gardevoir
Ability: Trace
- Encore
- Round
- Moonblast
- Captivate



Delcatty
Ability: Cute Charm
- Charm
- Fake Out
- Round
- Play Rough



Wigglytuff
Ability: Cute Charm
- Dazzling Gleam
- Round
- Heal Pulse
- Sing



Azumarill
Ability: Thick Fat
- Round
- Bubble Beam
- Aqua Jet
- Helping Hand



Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Cloud Nine
- Echoed Voice
- Psych Up
- Sing
- Round
 
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Here’s my team!

:sv/wigglytuff:
Wigglytuff
Ability: Cute Charm
-Play Rough
-Disable
-Sing
-Hyper Voice

:sv/azumarill:
Azumarill
Ability: Huge Power
-Charm
-Play Rough
-Waterfall
-Water Sport

:sv/Mawile:
Mawile
Ability: Intimidate
-Play Rough
-Iron Head
-Crunch
-Iron Defense

:sv/delcatty:
Delcatty
Ability: Cute Charm
-Double Slap
-Play Rough
-Assist
-Heal Bell

:sv/gardevoir:
Gardevoir
Ability: Trace
-Moonblast
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Imprision

:sv/altaria-mega:
Mega Altaria @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
-Return
-Dragon Dance
-Play Rough
-Earthquake
 
The team came together much better for me with one extra change: this is a doubles team. With Trick Room.

:gardevoir::azumarill::jigglypuff::mawile-mega::lunatone::wigglytuff:

Gardevoir @ Expert Belt
Ability: Telepathy
- Trick Room
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psyshock
- Protect
It's the only Hoenn Fairy that actually learns trick room. This is just the regular gen 6 doubles set with the mega stone reallocated elsewhere.

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
- Aqua Jet
- Knock Off
- Belly Drum
- Protect
Azumarill is the more fixed mon that shows off an idea I end up thinking a lot of for Fairy and Fairy-adjacent teams: deceptively high physical power despite low/mid stats. Obviously, Tinkaton isn't here to complete the trifecta, but we have another Huge Power mon coming.

Jigglypuff @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
- Protect
- Knock Off
- Helping Hand
- Seismic Toss
I couldn't really figure out what to do with Wigglytuff, which is where this became a doubles team. I was considering Trick Room even in singles, but access to Friend Guard really sold me on going doubles instead.

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
- Play Rough
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Rock Slide
My favourite Fairy-type. I like the dynamic it has with its Mega, dropping its act as the Deceiver Pokemon and just smashing the opposition. Sorry Altaria, there isn't room for a second Mega.

Lunatone @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
- Trick Room
- Moonblast
- Psyshock
- Helping Hand
Felt I needed a second TR setter. Lunatone was chosen over other options due to the minor association between Fairy types and the moon (with both the Moon Stone and Moonblast leaning towards that type).

Wigglytuff @ Choice Specs
Ability: Competitive
- Hyper Voice
- Dazzling Gleam
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
Wanted a Special hammer to complement Azumarill and Mawile both being physical. Wigglytuff might be poorly suited to this, but I decided it would be funny to still have the same number of Fairy types as other submissions despite not using Altaria-mega.
 
First post! : ) Feel free to call me out if I do something wrong.

:mawile: :gardevoir: :azumarill: :milotic: :absol: :ninetales:
Movesets here!

The first three are givens, but I dropped wigglytuff since it’s very obscure in Hoenn, being found only on an optional route that requires a backtrack and not being used by any relevant trainers iirc. Milotic is also pretty standard, with it’s mentions of beauty and it’s added fairy type in almost every fan game. Absol is here mostly for its mega’s design, but its role as a benign warner of disaster also fits. Lastly, ninetales is both a reference to its alolan form and to the mentions of mystical power in its Pokedex entries.

I chose not to use a mega evolution as none of the other type specialists in ORAS do besides the elite four rematches, but if I had to choose one I’d give it to mawile and make it’s moveset more aggressive.
 
I’m going to change things up a bit and use only four of the default fairies. Thinking about team theming, Mawile actually does not fit with the other fairies available in terms of personality, so I’m going a but creative.

If we look at the other fairies, we see they all have a theme of song or dance (including Mega Altaria) at some point in their evolutionary line, which does match with the general playful theme of fairy-types. So, I introduce to you: Ludicolo (“Ludicolo begins dancing as soon as it hears cheerful, festive music.”) and Roserade (“With the movements of a dancer, it strikes with whips that are densely lined with poison thorns.”).

Wigglytuff @ Focus Sash
Competitive
-Stealth Rocks
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Dazzling Gleam

Roserade @ Black Sludge
Natural Cure
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Giga Drain
-Dazzling Gleam

Ludicolo Assault Vest
Own Tempo
-Giga Drain
-Hydro Pump
-Hyper Voice
-Focus Blast

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Huge Power
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Superpower
-Knock Off

Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Trace
-Moonblast
-Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast

Altaria @ Altarianite
Natural Cure
-Dragon Dance
-Return
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
 
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Not a lot of surprises. Azu, Wiggly, and Gard are all fairy-types, and very effective, easy to build with and around.
I went with Mega-Mawile for the ace because it's a beast and a larger power jump than any other mega available for this team(and it's Gen VI, you need a mega).
Using that mega means no Mega-Altaria, but I included regular Altaria because it's a big fluffball. Honestly, even without the mega, it very much fits the aesthetic of both the standard fairy type and how I'm building here.
And Absol. Most fairies are pink, which Absol decidedly is not, but it's mystical and weird, which is very in-tune with the fairy type as it's presented, and it gets Play Rough by TM. I thought it's mega was a fairy for a good while, tbh.

The character here is going to be more European fey than the traditional cuteness Pokemon goes for with the fairy type. You walk into a shadowed forest to enter, face a gym test that's about following rules and answering honestly, and then the gym leader is stern and doesn't quite seem...normal, waiting in a ring of mushrooms.

Movesets for the final rematch:
Wigglytuff @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Competitive
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock

Absol @ Scope Lens
Ability: Super Luck
- Night Slash
- Play Rough
- Stone Edge
- Psycho Cut

Gardevoir @ Custap Berry
Ability: Trace
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
- Belly Drum
- Aqua Jet
- Waterfall
- Play Rough

Altaria @ White Herb
Ability: Natural Cure
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Tailwind
- Perish Song

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
- Sucker Punch
- Play Rough
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance

Lead with Wigglytuff to set rocks and chip their lead, most of the rest are heavy hitters. Absol always crits unless it clicks Play Rough, which is just fun. Altaria and Gardevoir discourage "Set up and Sweep" strats, Azu and Mawile have priority. Steel and Poison types also aren't a great answer offensively or defensively. It's not too god-tier of a team, but people will remember it.
 

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:sv/gardevoir-mega::sv/azumarill::sv/mawile:
Mega Gardevoir | Azumarill | Mawile
:sv/wigglytuff::sv/breloom::sv/raichu:
Wigglytuff | Breloom | Raichu

So, some obvious choices, some interesting:

  • Mega Gardevoir: I was really thinking about Mega Altaria to get the "final" ORAS Fairy on my team... BUT I decided that I wanted to use Mega Gardevoir. I just like it better, goes with my preferred playstyle (mainly offense). Also, with Wally switching over to (Mega) Gallade as his ace and the notable Mega Gardevoir belonging to Diantha all the way in Kalos, Mega Gardevoir is a free agent in Hoenn.
  • Breloom: First off, Fairy Egg Group. Second, it's a mushroom, something which has been associated with fairies (heck, I'd say a mushroom being classified as a fairy is more appropriate than it being associated with plants). Breloom also provides the team with a good counter for them pesky Steel-types.
  • Raichu: First off, Fairy Egg Group. "So are Plusle and Minun and they're Gen III Pokemon". True, but we're not developing Double Battle teams (as far as I know) so feels pointless to choose one of them over the other (or Raichu for that matter); and if we were developing a Double Battle team probably wouldn't have all the Fairy-types on my team. So, why is Raichu here over some other popular choice like say Froslass? Well, theming mainly. (Mega) Gardevoir is already filling the humanoid beautiful lady fey spot, and Mawile the yokia, I just don't feel Froslass would add any more visual flare. However you can't have too many big-eared forest critters, so Raichu fits in with Azumarill & Wigglytuff.

Gonna skip on making a team, and probably will do so in the future. While a good moveset can certainly be a booster in this competition, well I'm not quite sure if I'm that good at it (not that I'm making a competitive team, but still if I don't make a compelling moveset I feel it looks badly on the team). Actually I only did it for the first two to try and justify why I had certain Pokemon on the team (not that I think I would have done anything special this time around), but I think I'm going to go with R_N's methodology:

Everyone out here listing out full movesets and items and abilities and im just over here making teams by vibes
Maybe I'll mention a moveset idea now and again, but otherwise I'll let the Pokemon do the talking and the mind of the viewer thinking of the possibilities. :blobwizard:

Later on today maybe see about commenting on some other stuff...
 
The Usual Suspects: Gardevoir, Azurmarill, Wigglytuff, Mawile

Yeah this is why I don't think this is really "harsh". 4's a lot! And as shown already we've got a 5th with Altaria's mega having Fairy typing.
For the sake of variety, I will try to go with 2 other Pokemon:

Delcatty
Most fairy Pokemon are defined by being, for lack of a better word, "girly". Delcatty is very girly; its a cute, delicate cat looking like its all dolled up. Skitty in particular has the iconic Pink Aesthetic. It's also in the Fairy Egg group, which really opens this up in any game this challenge will appear in. Like Breloom is in the Fairy egg group! Breloom

and...

Gorebyss
So we got Pink. It looks very pretty, visually dainty; the sea shell "bra" probably meant to call to mermaids and mermaids get the fairy connection thanks to Primarina. Now Milotic is probably the really easy pick for a "fairy-esque not fairy water type" but I chose Gorebyss because of its behavior. There's always a couple "exceptions that prove the rule" type fairies, like Mawile or Grimmsnarl, and Gorebyss is actually kind of vicious with how it eats. I think that's a fun thing. This wildly vivid cutie and it's taking all your blood and marrow and leaving the remains to fall to the ocean floor.
 
The Usual Suspects: Gardevoir, Azurmarill, Wigglytuff, Mawile

Yeah this is why I don't think this is really "harsh". 4's a lot! And as shown already we've got a 5th with Altaria's mega having Fairy typing.
For the sake of variety, I will try to go with 2 other Pokemon:
Yeah, I came very close to skipping Alteria because if I'm not using it's Mega then it's not required, but it was such a fitting choice for a type that relies on cuteness that I included it anyway. I like both of your final 2, Delcatty is a clear fit and I hadn't thought of Gorebyss but it's another good option.
 

bdt2002

Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs superfan
is a Pre-Contributor
ORAS Hoenn with Fairy-Types, huh? Interesting. I definitely think we can work with this. There's a Pokémon I have a question about for ORAS in particular, thanks to the unique nature of the Pokémon still existing during Generation 3, but not being added as a gift Pokémon until the remakes, which by coincidence were during the same generation that made this thing a Fairy-Type.

:xy/togekiss:

Yes, I know Togekiss is a Gen 4 evolution and not some kind of Gen 3 evolution (or a Mega Evolution for Togetic, in that regard). Yes, I know none of the Togepi line is technically a part of the ORAS Hoenn regional PokéDex. But in my opinion, it should have been. For those who weren't aware of this, you can actually get a Togepi egg from the same NPC that gives you the usual Wynaut egg once you've captured or defeated Groudon/Kyogre and obtained the National PokéDex. The catch is, in ORAS specifically, this technically isn't dedicated postgame content, much like how the Eon Flute and Soaring isn't technically postgame content either. Togekiss feels similar to a Gallade or a Froslass in the context of these remakes, both of which are allowed for this competition, so what do you guys think about Togekiss being available too? Again, this would only be for ORAS, because this Togepi egg isn't a thing in the original Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald games on the GBA (instead having a Togepi egg in the FireRed & LeafGreen postgame).
 
ORAS Hoenn with Fairy-Types, huh? Interesting. I definitely think we can work with this. There's a Pokémon I have a question about for ORAS in particular, thanks to the unique nature of the Pokémon still existing during Generation 3, but not being added as a gift Pokémon until the remakes, which by coincidence were during the same generation that made this thing a Fairy-Type.

:xy/togekiss:

Yes, I know Togekiss is a Gen 4 evolution and not some kind of Gen 3 evolution (or a Mega Evolution for Togetic, in that regard). Yes, I know none of the Togepi line is technically a part of the ORAS Hoenn regional PokéDex. But in my opinion, it should have been. For those who weren't aware of this, you can actually get a Togepi egg from the same NPC that gives you the usual Wynaut egg once you've captured or defeated Groudon/Kyogre and obtained the National PokéDex. The catch is, in ORAS specifically, this technically isn't dedicated postgame content, much like how the Eon Flute and Soaring isn't technically postgame content either. Togekiss feels similar to a Gallade or a Froslass in the context of these remakes, both of which are allowed for this competition, so what do you guys think about Togekiss being available too? Again, this would only be for ORAS, because this Togepi egg isn't a thing in the original Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald games on the GBA (instead having a Togepi egg in the FireRed & LeafGreen postgame).
Personally I would just err on not including anything not in the Hoenn Dex for ORAS, because if we make an exception for Togekiss then we could just as easily make exceptions for all the other National Dex pokemon that become available once you beat Groudon/Kyogre. not even just the mirage islands, but the dex nav now being able to show you Nat Dex pokemon.

The spirit of the challenge, to me at least, is definitely "the pokedex for that game"
There's a few other odds & ends that could probably rub up against this in future games (SWSH's DLC, SV's perrserker & quagsire, regional variants in SMUSUM, SWSH, SV) but here I think it'd be better & easier to ignore the national dex offerings even if ORAS starts what'd normally be post game early.
 

QuentinQuonce

formerly green_typhlosion
The team came together much better for me with one extra change: this is a doubles team. With Trick Room.

:gardevoir::azumarill::jigglypuff::mawile-mega::lunatone::wigglytuff:

Gardevoir @ Expert Belt
Ability: Telepathy
- Trick Room
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psyshock
- Protect
It's the only Hoenn Fairy that actually learns trick room. This is just the regular gen 6 doubles set with the mega stone reallocated elsewhere.

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
- Aqua Jet
- Knock Off
- Belly Drum
- Protect
Azumarill is the more fixed mon that shows off an idea I end up thinking a lot of for Fairy and Fairy-adjacent teams: deceptively high physical power despite low/mid stats. Obviously, Tinkaton isn't here to complete the trifecta, but we have another Huge Power mon coming.

Jigglypuff @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
- Protect
- Knock Off
- Helping Hand
- Seismic Toss
I couldn't really figure out what to do with Wigglytuff, which is where this became a doubles team. I was considering Trick Room even in singles, but access to Friend Guard really sold me on going doubles instead.

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
- Play Rough
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Rock Slide
My favourite Fairy-type. I like the dynamic it has with its Mega, dropping its act as the Deceiver Pokemon and just smashing the opposition. Sorry Altaria, there isn't room for a second Mega.

Lunatone @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
- Trick Room
- Moonblast
- Psyshock
- Helping Hand
Felt I needed a second TR setter. Lunatone was chosen over other options due to the minor association between Fairy types and the moon (with both the Moon Stone and Moonblast leaning towards that type).

Wigglytuff @ Choice Specs
Ability: Competitive
- Hyper Voice
- Dazzling Gleam
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
Wanted a Special hammer to complement Azumarill and Mawile both being physical. Wigglytuff might be poorly suited to this, but I decided it would be funny to still have the same number of Fairy types as other submissions despite not using Altaria-mega.
Swerving M-Altaria for M-Mawile, the true curveball option

ORAS Hoenn with Fairy-Types, huh? Interesting. I definitely think we can work with this. There's a Pokémon I have a question about for ORAS in particular, thanks to the unique nature of the Pokémon still existing during Generation 3, but not being added as a gift Pokémon until the remakes, which by coincidence were during the same generation that made this thing a Fairy-Type.

:xy/togekiss:

Yes, I know Togekiss is a Gen 4 evolution and not some kind of Gen 3 evolution (or a Mega Evolution for Togetic, in that regard). Yes, I know none of the Togepi line is technically a part of the ORAS Hoenn regional PokéDex. But in my opinion, it should have been. For those who weren't aware of this, you can actually get a Togepi egg from the same NPC that gives you the usual Wynaut egg once you've captured or defeated Groudon/Kyogre and obtained the National PokéDex. The catch is, in ORAS specifically, this technically isn't dedicated postgame content, much like how the Eon Flute and Soaring isn't technically postgame content either. Togekiss feels similar to a Gallade or a Froslass in the context of these remakes, both of which are allowed for this competition, so what do you guys think about Togekiss being available too? Again, this would only be for ORAS, because this Togepi egg isn't a thing in the original Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald games on the GBA (instead having a Togepi egg in the FireRed & LeafGreen postgame).
Yeah, um, no. The criteria is "the region's native Pokédex" which Togekiss definitely is not part of.

We can argue what should have been in a various dex till the cows come home (I always misremember the Flygon line as being part of Platinum's expanded Sinnoh dex) but Togekiss isn't a part of ORAS's Hoenn dex any more than Pidove, Zorua, or any of the other Pokemon that appear after Groudon/Kyogre has been defeated. Bzzzzt, denied!
 

bdt2002

Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs superfan
is a Pre-Contributor
Personally I would just err on not including anything not in the Hoenn Dex for ORAS, because if we make an exception for Togekiss then we could just as easily make exceptions for all the other National Dex pokemon that become available once you beat Groudon/Kyogre. not even just the mirage islands, but the dex nav now being able to show you Nat Dex pokemon.

The spirit of the challenge, to me at least, is definitely "the pokedex for that game"
There's a few other odds & ends that could probably rub up against this in future games (SWSH's DLC, SV's perrserker & quagsire, regional variants in SMUSUM, SWSH, SV) but here I think it'd be better & easier to ignore the national dex offerings even if ORAS starts what'd normally be post game early.
Yeah, um, no. The criteria is "the region's native Pokédex" which Togekiss definitely is not part of.

We can argue what should have been in a various dex till the cows come home (I always misremember the Flygon line as being part of Platinum's expanded Sinnoh dex) but Togekiss isn't a part of ORAS's Hoenn dex any more than Pidove, Zorua, or any of the other Pokemon that appear after Groudon/Kyogre has been defeated. Bzzzzt, denied!
I would have to agree with that notion. I just wanted to make sure before I made a team for this, just to be safe, you know?
 
Yeah, I came very close to skipping Alteria because if I'm not using it's Mega then it's not required, but it was such a fitting choice for a type that relies on cuteness that I included it anyway. I like both of your final 2, Delcatty is a clear fit and I hadn't thought of Gorebyss but it's another good option.
I honestly didn't even consider going for a cuteness theme, because none of the Fairy mons (at any evolutionary stage) actually matched what I think of as cute. Amusingly, while I was never thinking about Goerbyss, Clamperl was in contention because the special attack boost from Deep Sea Tooth is no joke. I expect I'll be holding onto my own cute team until we get Steel, Bug, or Ghost.
 
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:xy/Gardevoir-mega: :xy/Mawile: :xy/Azumarill: :xy/Vileplume: :xy/Ninetales: :xy/Milotic:
-Wally using Gallade leaves Hoenn without a trainer with Gardevoir as their ace. Gardevoir is also seen as a flagship Fairy type on par with Sylveon, and is used to represent Hoenn in general.

-Mawile and Azumarill are the remaining Fairy type lines in Hoenn, with Azurill being introduced here making the Marill line connected to Hoenn.

-I considered Bellossom, but Vileplume has more affinity with the moon and the night than Bellossom. Moonlight and Moonblast seems more appropriate on Vileplume than Bellossom.

-I'm not sure future regional types are permitted for justifications, but even if referencing Alolan Ninetales isn't allowed, Kyuubi/Kitsune still fall into the same niche of trickster spirits Fairy types lean into.

-Milotic gained Disarming Voice in ORAS, meaning it edges out Gorebyss as a being more Fairy affiliated non-Fairy Water type. It also forms a Grass-Fire-Water core with Vileplume and Ninetales. I considered Altaria replacing Milotic to also form a Dragon-Fairy-Steel core, but I wanted to include some more powerful Hoenn Pokemon.
 
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Sorry, this time the NFE are arse.... sorry :kirlia: :jigglypuff: :marill: I wont use you

I think I'll make exception for some of the eligible Fairies, I don't want to have "cute" team, so I'll make different approach
:mawile-mega: is going to be the Mega choice, because it looks ferocious enough.
And :gardevoir: is for the remaining fairy type for my team
Sorry :wigglytuff: and :azumarill: you are too cute to be on my team
For the rest, I think I'll pick something from the Fairy egg-group, I'll pick :roserade:, it this was RSE, I could have picked :roselia:
Also, I want to pick one of the mature Snorunt, is it :froslass:? nope, I'll pick :glalie: instead because its more ferocious-looking
Because I picked Roserade, I think I need more graceful looking Pokemon? I also like FWG core too, the :milotic: and :ninetales: it is

FInal team:
:xy/mawile-mega: :xy/gardevoir: :xy/glalie: :xy/roserade: :xy/milotic: :xy/ninetales:

Since the moveset is optional, I wont bother it but I'll explain that imagine that this is an in-game team with suboptimal moveset. But for fun I provide the moveset of my ace; Mega Mawile

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Huge Power
- Flash Cannon
- Play Rough
- Facade
- Knock Off
 
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Oh this is a really fun thread idea, I like this a lot.

I'm not sure if I'm meant to be a trainer or something like a gym leader or e4 member for this, but I'll go with the latter since that's easier. Also, this will be in a 6v6 doubles format. I don't see anything on the main post specifying that it has to be singles, so I think this is ok?

Also, note that my competitive experience is limited and I've never made a competitive team before, so there may be some really dumb decisions here.

Team:

Mawile, Gardevoir, Azumarill, Wigglytuff, Ninetales, Mega Altaria (I'm not sure how to add the gifs/sprites that people above have been using)

I don't feel like doing items, but I will do movesets and abilities.

Mawile:
Ability: Intimidate
Moves: Helping Hand, Fake Tears, Icy Wind, Protect

tbh, Mawile's stats just do not look good, so fuck it, it can be full support. Helping Hand is a priority move, which is useful since both Mawile's speed and bulk sucks, and Helping Hand works well with a Fairy-based doubles team, since Dazzling Gleam is a thing. Fake Tears also goes well with 4 of the remaining five pokemon on the team being special attackers. Icy Wind would give speed control. And of course, Intimidate decreases opponent physical attackers's strength.

Gardevoir:
Ability: Synchronize
Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Heal Pulse

Gardevoir is a strong special attacker, Dazzling Gleam lets it hit both opponents with Fairy STAB, Thunderbolt is nice coverage, and Heal Pulse is a nice support move. Not much else to say here except that, due to being a Psychic type, it can use super effective STAB on Poison types, which is really nice for a fairy team.

Azumarill:
Ability: Huge Power
Moves: Liquidation, Play Rough, Aqua Jet, Protect

Azumarill is of course a strong physical attacker with Huge Power, and also the only physical attacker or water type on this team, making it a great offensive pokemon for the team. Aqua Jet is useful considering Azumarill's bad speed.

Wigglytuff:
Ability: Competitive
Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Nasty Plot, Blizzard, Flamethrower

Wasn't really sure what to do with Wigglytuff, I ended up deciding to just make it a special attacker with Nasty Plot and a lot of coverage, because it *does* seem like it has some potential special strength if you get it set up. It probably wouldn't be great, but I wanted to use all the available fairies, and I already gave Mawile a full support moveset.

Ninetales:
Ability: Flash Fire
Moves: Flamethrower, Nasty Plot, Energy Ball, Dark Pulse

The only non-Fairy type on the team, because there are only five Fairy lines in ORAS. I always felt like Ninetales should have been a Fairy type though; it feels like a Fairy type, and Fire/Fairy hasn't even been used yet. It's even in the mini Fairy section of the Kanto Pokedex, in between the Clefairy and Jigglypuff lines, and its alolan form is a Fairy type. So I feel like it fits the Fairy vibe of the team. It's not just that though; It also has a very useful type for this team too. Fire does super effective to Steel types, and resists Steel attacks, which is valuable for a Fairy team that would struggle a lot with Steel types. This gives it a very important role of being a great Steel counter for this team. The reason I didn't give it Drought is because it would mess up Azumarill a lot, though it still could be an option as it would give it even stronger Firepower and Solar Beam. I used Dark Pulse as its final move because there's no other attacks on this team that hit Ghost and Psychic type super effectively, though other options include Will-O-Wisp to inflict burns or Extrasensory to make it simultaneously a Poison and Steel counter.

Mega Altaria:
Ability: Pixilate
Moves: Hyper Voice, Tailwind, Cotton Guard, Hurricane

The ace of the team, and one of my favorite Fairy types, Mega Altaria. Since this is ORAS, Megas can be used, which is nice because it means I can use Mega Altaria. Pixilate makes Hyper Voice an extra strong Dazzling Gleam, and Hurricane is a coverage move, as Flying isn't representated anywhere else in the team. I didn't bother using Dragon STAB, because none of the special Dragon moves seemed all that impressive except Draco Meteor, which decreases Special Attack heavily, and it's redundant on a Fairy type anyway (let alone a Fairy team). Tailwind also increases speed for the whole team, and cotton guard makes Mega Altaria's already good physical bulk a lot better.
 
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Oh this is a really fun thread idea, I like this a lot.

I'm not sure if I'm meant to be a trainer or something like a gym leader or e4 member for this, but I'll go with the latter since that's easier. Also, this will be in a 6v6 doubles format. I don't see anything on the main post specifying that it has to be singles, so I think this is ok?

Also, note that my competitive experience is limited and I've never made a competitive team before, so there may be some really dumb decisions here.

Team:

Mawile, Gardevoir, Azumarill, Wigglytuff, Ninetales, Mega Altaria (I'm not sure how to add the gifs/sprites that people above have been using)

I don't feel like doing items, but I will do movesets and abilities.

Mawile:
Ability: Intimidate
Moves: Helping Hand, Fake Tears, Growl, Protect

tbh, Mawile's stats just do not look good, so fuck it, it can be full support. Helping Hand is a priority move, which is useful since both Mawile's speed and bulk sucks, and Helping Hand works well with a Fairy-based doubles team, since Dazzling Gleam is a thing. Fake Tears also goes well with 4 of the remaining five pokemon on the team being special attackers. Growl is for a pokemon later on. And of course, Intimidate decreases opponent physical attackers's strength.

Gardevoir:
Ability: Synchronize
Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Heal Pulse

Gardevoir is a strong special attacker, Dazzling Gleam lets it hit both opponents with Fairy STAB, Thunderbolt is nice coverage, and Heal Pulse is a nice support move. Not much else to say here except that, due to being a Psychic type, it can use super effective STAB on Poison types, which is really nice for a fairy team.

Azumarill:
Ability: Huge Power
Moves: Liquidation, Play Rough, Aqua Jet, Protect

Azumarill is of course a strong physical attacker with Huge Power, and also the only physical attacker or water type on this team, making it a great offensive pokemon for the team. Aqua Jet is useful considering Azumarill's bad speed.

Wigglytuff:
Ability: Competitive
Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Nasty Plot, Blizzard, Flamethrower

Wasn't really sure what to do with Wigglytuff, I ended up deciding to just make it a special attacker with Nasty Plot and a lot of coverage, because it *does* seem like it has some potential special strength if you get it set up. Since it has Competitive as an ability, I also gave Mawile Growl so that it could potentially help Wigglytuff become much stronger much easier too. It's not using its attack anyway.

Ninetales:
Ability: Flash Fire
Moves: Flamethrower, Nasty Plot, Energy Ball, Dark Pulse

The only non-Fairy type on the team, because there are only five Fairy lines in ORAS. I always felt like Ninetales should have been a Fairy type though; it feels like a Fairy type, and Fire/Fairy hasn't even been used yet. It's even in the mini Fairy section of the Kanto Pokedex, in between the Clefairy and Jigglypuff lines, and its alolan form is a Fairy type. So I feel like it fits the Fairy vibe of the team. It's not just that though; It also has a very useful type for this team too. Fire does super effective to Steel types, and resists Steel attacks, which is valuable for a Fairy team that would struggle a lot with Steel types. This gives it a very important role of being a great Steel counter for this team. The reason I didn't give it Drought is because it would mess up Azumarill a lot, though it still could be an option as it would give it even stronger Firepower and Solar Beam. I used Dark Pulse as its final move because there's no other attacks on this team that hit Ghost and Psychic type super effectively, though other options include Will-O-Wisp to inflict burns or Extrasensory to make it simultaneously a Poison and Steel counter.

Mega Altaria:
Ability: Pixilate
Moves: Hyper Voice, Tailwind, Cotton Guard, Hurricane

The ace of the team, and one of my favorite Fairy types, Mega Altaria. Since this is ORAS, Megas can be used, which is nice because it means I can use Mega Altaria. Pixilate makes Hyper Voice an extra strong Dazzling Gleam, and Hurricane is a coverage move, as Flying isn't representated anywhere else in the team. I didn't bother using Dragon STAB, because none of the special Dragon moves seemed all that impressive except Draco Meteor, which decreases Special Attack heavily, and it's redundant on a Fairy type anyway (let alone a Fairy team). Tailwind also increases speed for the whole team, and cotton guard makes Mega Altaria's already good physical bulk a lot better.
Growl can't target allies in doubles, since it affects both enemies. Icy Wind could work as another support move if you're set on giving up the best available attacker.
 
Growl can't target allies in doubles, since it affects both enemies. Icy Wind could work as another support move if you're set on giving up the best available attacker.
Oh oops. I don't really see any other good moves for that role, so I'd just replace it with Iron Defense to increase its bulk I suppose. It's already gimmicky anyway so I don't think Icy Wind would be worth it at that point due to it also damaging Wigglytuff.

How is Mawile the best attacker though? Its attack is only 85 and its speed sucks.
 
Oh oops. I don't really see any other good moves for that role, so I'd just replace it with Iron Defense to increase its bulk I suppose. It's already gimmicky anyway so I don't think Icy Wind would be worth it at that point due to it also damaging Wigglytuff.

How is Mawile the best attacker though? Its attack is only 85 and its speed sucks.
Icy wind also doesn't hit the ally, its utility would be in slowing down the opponent so altaria isn't the only source of speed control.

On the topic of Altaria, removing its mega stone gives access to a Mawile with 105 attack and Huge Power. For comparison, Azumarill is threatening even without an offense-boosting item because of Huge power despite having below half of Mawile's base attack. It does also have Sucker Punch as a priority move, though that obviously isn't a fully reliable answer to low speed.
 
Icy wind also doesn't hit the ally, its utility would be in slowing down the opponent so altaria isn't the only source of speed control.

On the topic of Altaria, removing its mega stone gives access to a Mawile with 105 attack and Huge Power. For comparison, Azumarill is threatening even without an offense-boosting item because of Huge power despite having below half of Mawile's base attack. It does also have Sucker Punch as a priority move, though that obviously isn't a fully reliable answer to low speed.
Oh, I thought you meant regular Mawile. I didn't use Mega Mawile because I like Mega Altaria (and Altaria in general) a lot
 

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