Use something other than Hypnosis like Sleep Powder (I can live with 25% miss rate, even if I'll be a bit angry over it sometimes. 40% miss unaided, no.). Also, I reccomend maybe Sitrus Berry for an extra Sub if needed.Hm, I'm not sure whether it's better to use Wide Lens Hypnosis, or Substitute + Micle berry Hypnosis. Thoughts?
(Moveset is Protect/Substitute/Hypnosis/Attack)
On the contrary. There is an actual tier of this on Pokemon Online. It's the strategy that goes behind who you pick, what you do to prepare for every possible threat or how to overcome that makes it a real metagame. Besides, you can use a lot more Poke in here than that silly Middle Cup.Why would this be a metagame? Only a few Pokemon can be used.
Hypno might be able to pull that off. Something like:Can't you try trick + torment to ruin whatever you face?
And if they're not choiced?Here's how it works.
Hypno used Torment!
<Poke> used <Move>!
Hypno used Torment! But it failed.
<Poke> used Struggle!
If they're faster, they have the chance to 2HKO, which sucks, but such is life.
Encore + Torment Gardevoir / Alakazam are absolutely lethal in my experience.
In my expiriences bulk>speed. Better to take more hits because it is very hard to ohko everything. The more chances for you to attack the better.i've never played this (though it sounds interesting) so i don't know if people do this or not, but does anyone use electivire? you could scarf em, send him out to battle with that great movepool of his and let pandemonium ensue.
Plus you fail to anything with Mail, or faster Substitute users. (Thinking of Yanmega and Ninjask, basically.)Hypno might be able to pull that off. Something like:
Hypno @ Choice scarf
Insomnia (though trick screws sleep anyways)
Defensive ev spread
trick
torment
protect
psychic
Things that 2 hit ko you are the only thing you fail against.
Edit: Whoops I fail, it also fail against choicers, which are common.
Ninjask isn't very viable, yanmega beats him because of STAB SE bug buzz, not sub. I haven't seen much sub, and personally I don't see the point except to block sleep, which lum berry also does. But yeah I forgot about mail...Plus you fail to anything with Mail, or faster Substitute users. (Thinking of Yanmega and Ninjask, basically.)
I'm not doubting you that it worked, but what was the point of sub on the set?What dis it accomplish?I used SubRoost Zapdos for a while, and it worked quite well.
Zapdos has Pressure. With Sub and Roost, Zapdos can PP stall out a lot of stuff. Sub also blocks status, prevents dying to CounterCoat etc.I'm not doubting you that it worked, but what was the point of sub on the set?What dis it accomplish?
Derp forgot about pressure.Zapdos has Pressure. With Sub and Roost, Zapdos can PP stall out a lot of stuff. Sub also blocks status, prevents dying to CounterCoat etc.
I can attest to this, but it only lasts so long. People did manage to catch onto the fact I was running Heatproof after a while. So that's why I came up with my BandZong bait set for later. :3Yeah, I've being running StallZong with CM and I.Defense and it works absolute wonders (Heatproof). Only things that fail are Ground STAB Pokés like Hippodawn (OHKO with EQ, because of no Levitate), Machamp (Dynamicpunch...) and scarfed 'mon.
But overall, people aren't REALLY prepared for it and generally rage quit because I end up stalling a lot (Blissey comes to mind, we do a stall battle, I usually win) or simply counter pretty well that their Pokémon, seemingly stronger, are crushed (Infernape, for example).
In fact, I love Zong so much it provided a great support to my Uber metagame team (with dif. set and spread, obviously).
This hasn't really been discussed and I was wondering what people though of Deoxys-s being unbanned. It isn't all that powerful and it's good defenses are let down by base 50 HP.Unbanning Deoxys-S - One of the main thing that got Deoxy-S banned was it's ability to set up Entry Hazards. With Entry Hazards being useless, Deoxys-S should be considered to be allowed. Although it does still have a good movepool and stats.