Anything else?Seed Flare.
I mean Celebi does get Leaf Storm...
Is the standard Shaymin supporter, sweeper, what? [I swear I've barely seen any Shaymins]
Anything else?Seed Flare.
It's OU solely through usage. If you're unhappy with any tiering changes, blame yourself and your peers for not using Hera enough or using Umbreon too much. BL is only for UU-tiered pokes who were voted there.That would make it BL, not OU. :/
Seed Flare is an absolutely amazing move and better than Leaf Storm, IMO. Aside from that, everything Shaymin does can also be done by Celebi. It's worth noting that Shaymin isn't Pursuit-weak, though.Anything else?
I mean Celebi does get Leaf Storm...
Is the standard Shaymin supporter, sweeper, what? [I swear I've barely seen any Shaymins]
Likely because it can pull off a nasty little sweeper set, and can just abuse Natural Cure. Also, Seed Flare's proc devastates anything coming in, even if it's quad resisted, as you can be -sure- that Shaymin also carries Earth Power and at least a Hidden Power, though likely Fire and Ice. I would say Seed Flare alone is a good contributor to Shaymin's bump in usage.Anything else?
I mean Celebi does get Leaf Storm...
Is the standard Shaymin supporter, sweeper, what? [I swear I've barely seen any Shaymins]
Sorry, that was just bothering me.It's been four months since the last OU Tier update, so it's time to recalculate the tiers.
Beyond Salamence and Latias being voted to Uber, their were 2 additional changes. Shaymin has jumped up to be OU for the first time in Gen IV. And finally, the Pokemon every has been watching for months, Heracross just barely missed the cut and fell into UU.
Don't really care about Heracross being UU (cause frankly, it's not good enough in OU for me to use it), but I certainly do blame my peers for using Umbreon too much. The thing sucks!! :PIt's OU solely through usage. If you're unhappy with any tiering changes, blame yourself and your peers for not using Hera enough or using Umbreon too much. BL is only for UU-tiered pokes who were voted there.
Umbreon doesn't suck. At all.Don't really care about Heracross being UU (cause frankly, it's not good enough in OU for me to use it), but I certainly do blame my peers for using Umbreon too much. The thing sucks!! :P
Point was that Umbreon's ability in UU has no relevance to its OU status.
What the hell do you mean by Scizor is not centralizing? In the article SDS and I are writing about influential weaknesses, Scizor is written about in 3 different sections describing its centralizing effects, making certain pokemon viable and others not.He added heavy [centralizing]
Scizor and Heatran are not heavy centralizing. Heavy is Garchomp level.
That said, everyone's discussing Cross... but what about Shaymin? How come he's seeing so much use? What does he have over, say, Celebi?
I was actually thinking earlier that Aggron + Heracross on the same team would destroy teams. But then again I don't play UU much.That, and Heracross doesn't give a shit if it's burned either. Gallade's crippled completely if burned apart from something silly like Destiny Bond or some odd support setup.
I, however, don't think Aggron will be seeing less usage because of Heracross. You'll just likely see it try to set up Rock Polish as Heracross comes in (I'm fairly certain that offensive variants of Heracross that switch into Spikes or SR a few times won't survive a Head Smash. At all.), or just be doing hit and run like I usually see them be used.
Who in the world is saying that? =/Well, I tried. :P
But seriously, from what I'm hearing from UU players, they were kind of happy that Umbreon got banned to OU because it was a prick to shoot down.
No. Its Curse and Mean Look Baton Pass sets are actually pretty good.It totally does . . .
That's what you have 5 other team members for. :) Skarmory is handled by Magnezone, Machamp/Scizor are handled by RestTalk Reflect Rotom, and the rest of the Pokemon you mentioned can be revenge killed or handled by a simple switch.Umbreon has no means of doing anything to setup sweepers like Machamp, Lucario, Scizor, Empoleon and others who can simply go to setup and sweep. Furthermore Skarmory and bulky SR users set up on it at will and just PHaze it harmlessly away. There are ways of getting around gengar and starmie (who still have means of screwing over Umbreon anyway, and have no real fear in simply switching out) without exposing one to such potent threats.
This.Dusknoir, Electivire, Weavile and Ninjask, the Elite Four of suckiness, managed to start and finish DPPt being OUs while Shaymin only got into the tier today.
Yeah, sure is low rating in here.
Pretty much exactly why Umbreon sucks.You are not understanding the problem, which is this:
Umbreon does NOTHING to stop a number (ie, you opponent probably doesn't have 1, but several pokemon who can setup/are truly unafraid of umbreon) of truly threatening pokemon from switching in on it at will. Meanwhile, said truly threatening pokemon can still bash the crap out of their "counters." Even if you switch Magnezone into Forry/Skarm, they already got up Spikes/Rocks, and might be packing Shed Shell on top of it.
Having a Rotom is no help when Machamp is completely free to setup Substitutes on Umbreon (which will let it bash Rotom with Payback), and Scizor will be bashing Rotom in the face with U-Turn before switching out anyway. Even if Machamp didn't have substitute, Umbreon is so unthreatening, it could afford to go for Payback on the prediction!
The point is that even if Umbreon can force out certain pokemon, it does nothing to threaten other enemy team mates, many of whom are fully capable of setting up on Umbreon without fear, and doing some serious shit to whatever checks you might be packing for them.
Naw, I just don't want them in OU. They would fuck shit up in NU. But nonetheless, the still don't deserve OU status.Please tell me you're kidding when you say Dusknoir and Electivire should be NU. Please.
Gengar can't do either and it's been consistently top OU for all of D/P. Scizor's Pursuit isn't all that scary when it's slower than the universe and allows room for setup and recovery.The ability to stand up to Scizor's Pursuit and Bullet Punch also have serious influence on whether an offensive pokemon is viable in OU.