I agree with this, you beat most bulky waters with Sludge Bomb... being walled by Scizor is pretty trash for a mon like Vileplume and I think is more important than Grass STAB.I'd have thought Giga Drain to be his most disposable move, is it that important on it?
I never thought I'd be making a post like this in the UU subforum but this is a scenario I think I can be of some assistance. Yes it's true that w/ azu gone golisopod has a more notable niche in the meta, but I don't think the recent departure of azu fully justifies using golis here. Unlike RU where it's limited, UU has a ton of counterplay to the STAB golisopod utilizes. Volcanion, Empoleon, M-Alt, Kommo, Primarina, Suicune, Tentacruel and especially Alo are mons that handle both forms of STAB. Mantine does too but I don't really think it'd be too viable in UU, not sure. Yeah it can run coverage for some stuff and realistically for this tier I'd probably use Drill Run if anything. Beyond this though, getting locked into a move in this tier is a lot more dangerous since I feel the setup sweepers in the tier like gliscor, m-alt, kommo, and several others easily can take advantage of a banded golisopod, esp if locked into first impression. In RU it isn't as bad since realistically no setup sweeper in the tier appreciates first impression, so it becomes relatively manageable if your opponent was to setup post-first impression. As a lighter point I'd like to say that many mons in this tier completely abuse a locked golisopod despite not resisting one of its STAB options, such as seismitoad, stakataka, serperior, terrak, togekiss, and the list goes on. It just is too easily abused in this tier imo to warrant serious use. sorry if this post isn't sufficient in anyway, I'm not largely acquainted w/ uu.https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-usum-uu-stage-6-2-reggaetón-lento.3630113/page-4#post-7739154
Hey kids, remember this quality post?
Looking back, it was kinda dumb. Golisopod is just soooo outclassed compared to Azuma-
oh wait
Yeah, you're boy is kinda better now. Aside from one of its main checks and competitors being gone, meta trends have benefitted it too. The decline of fat teams helps its First Impression spam out a lot, and a lot rising mons like Krookodile, Breloom and Chandelure can be taken advantage of in some way or another.
Waddya think? Have the REAL isopod hours finally arrived? Is the stage set for this beast to finally be a relevant threat?
I disagree with this argument. Following this logic, we have to run Empoleon or Blissey on every team to not get destroyed by Primarina. We have to run Fairy-types to not get destroyed by Hydreigon. We have to run Mega Aggron or Metagross to not get destroyed by Calm Mind Latias. And so on.Public breloom suspect please? Shits broken af. I hate writing long paragraphs about the why's, but if youre not packing altaria, doublade or celebi youre getting your ass handed to you by breloom.
That works up to a point, but I do have to say that merely existing can create 50/50s normally in Breloom’s favor if it gets the switch. If your answer is Celebi, you’re safe up to a point (referring to the various natural gift sets), but a switch to your check is pretty easy to read, and if the thing outruns your current mon it can get a pretty much free Spore, SD, or Sub on both a switch and a move it’s probably in on already.I disagree with this argument. Following this logic, we have to run Empoleon or Blissey on every team to not get destroyed by Primarina. We have to run Fairy-types to not get destroyed by Hydreigon. We have to run Mega Aggron or Metagross to not get destroyed by Calm Mind Latias. And so on.
I feel like you guys tend to argue Breloom isnt broken because its easy to revenge kill. That i agree with. Thats not the problem though. Its not broken as a sweeper. But as a wallbreaker with access to a very powerful priority which can let it clean at times + access to spore. This is What differentiates it from something like primarina. Its just as hard switching into, But it has so much going for it except being a nuke aswell.breloom is obviously a very good pokemon with a well placed spore being able to potentially cause a lot of problems for your team. but I dont think it's that much of a stretch to figure out which pokemon on your team can afford to take the sleep and which cannot. there are some obvious ones like sleep talk mons that are the clear initial switch in to breloom but realising that in a breloom match up you're gonna have to /maybe/ let one of your pokemon sleep in order for you to be able to check it doesn't make it broken.
breloom's effectiveness is also really held back by its speed. we have plenty of good faster fighting resists, latias, gliscor, tentacruel, togekiss, altaria, moltres, just to name a few and some like vileplume and celebi (natural gift arguments are pretty shoddy because by that extension swampert in oras is a bad entei check because natural gift grass) that dont care about breloom all and plenty of good options for fighting immunities like chandelure, gengar and tsareena. often times these pokemon find themselves on teams in different combinations and that causes breloom to potentiaally find itself in situations where it has a hard time getting an attack off and this is assuming it gets a free switch in, something that's only really possible on a double switch or after a sack considering it's very lacklustre bulk ensuring it cant switch in on anything remotely offensive. your team either is absurdly slow or has a bad weakness to fighting types in general for you to feel like you really have no chance against a breloom in my opinion
During SM, the ban order was actually reversed; MDoom was banned as opposed to Sun. When USUM dropped, the ban was altered, Drought got banned and MDoom was freed. The thing about the MDoom/Sun ban is that it has to be one of them. Sun has 0 viability in the tier, and MDoom has middling viability in the tier. Together, they crush all the buildings, and something had to be done.Sun complaints
The ban was reversed for consistency with the previous ban of Drizzle.During SM, the ban order was actually reversed; MDoom was banned as opposed to Sun. When USUM dropped, the ban was altered, Drought got banned and MDoom was freed. The thing about the MDoom/Sun ban is that it has to be one of them. Sun has 0 viability in the tier, and MDoom has middling viability in the tier. Together, they crush all the buildings, and something had to be done.
I can't exactly tell you why they decided to reverse the ban: whether it was because they wanted to be more in line with other tiers in regards to weather bans or if they just wanted to see what the other side of the ban would offer to the tier. It was done though, and nothing really changed because of it. Regardless, MDoom may not be the most viable mon in the tier, but it's still far more viable than Sun was; to be honest, I don't see the value in re-reversing a previously reversed ban just for the sake of a playstyle that has 0 viability.
With the meta changes, would Sun have no viability now? Considering Mega Houndoom loses HP after every turn in sun, it doesn't have much longevity. I would like a retest of SunDuring SM, the ban order was actually reversed; MDoom was banned as opposed to Sun. When USUM dropped, the ban was altered, Drought got banned and MDoom was freed. The thing about the MDoom/Sun ban is that it has to be one of them. Sun has 0 viability in the tier, and MDoom has middling viability in the tier. Together, they crush all the buildings, and something had to be done.
I can't exactly tell you why they decided to reverse the ban: whether it was because they wanted to be more in line with other tiers in regards to weather bans or if they just wanted to see what the other side of the ban would offer to the tier. It was done though, and nothing really changed because of it. Regardless, MDoom may not be the most viable mon in the tier, but it's still far more viable than Sun was; to be honest, I don't see the value in re-reversing a previously reversed ban just for the sake of a playstyle that has 0 viability.
It's hard to speculate because well, we can't playtest a meta with Drought all to easily outside of roomtours. To give a brief recap of why Drought/Mega Houndoom was banned, the combined wallbreaking of Mega Houndoom and Ninetales under Sun was really difficult to deal with, specifically Mega Houndoom since it basically 2 shot the entire tier after 1 Nasty Plot.With the meta changes, would Sun have no viability now? Considering Mega Houndoom loses HP after every turn in sun, it doesn't have much longevity. I would like a retest of Sun
MDoom doesn't need longevity, just one turn to NPWith the meta changes, would Sun have no viability now? Considering Mega Houndoom loses HP after every turn in sun, it doesn't have much longevity. I would like a retest of Sun
I agree! So I've got some mixed news: Lycans and dodmen recently decided to step down from the council. However, we've got several new council members to make up the difference: HT, Kink, Shiba and TDK. Some of these are returning former members of the council who have agreed to resume their roles, while others are long-time UU members and contributors who are getting their first opportunity to sit on the council.while the council is good for getting qbs done, 9 people is not a large enough sample size to reflect the opinion of the tier as a whole