wont worry seed work better against gastro acid for dark voiding smeargle?
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Ludicolo needs the speed and yeah I just remembered it has a 4x Grass resistance.
That's what I was thinking. Something along the lines of:
Generic Slaking
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Jumpluff @ Focus Sash
EVs: 252 Speed [?]
Timid/Jolly
-Worry Seed
-Helping Hand
-Sleep Powder
-Filler
I still like the Slowking idea better than this, but it could work nonetheless.
I was thinking something of an Anti-Starter Aerodactly
Aerodactly @ ???
Pressure
Jolly
- Taunt
- Foresight
- Rain Dance/Sunny Day
- Earthquake
Since Deoxys is banned from the Nintendo Tournament, Aero and Crobat are the faster taunters in the game. Aero gets foresight, which sort of nulls an Exploder + Ghost lead. The last 2 moves are filler and since Aero gets 2 weather moves, might as well set something up for your team.
As for EV's you would naturally want max speed and the rest is up to the user.
Edit: I've read through the topic and I'm surprised no one has mentioned gravity yet. It allows everyone to be hit by earthquake and doesn't it raise the accuracy of all moves? Time to bring out Choice Scarf Articuno!
Aerodactly @ ???
Pressure
Jolly
- Taunt
- Foresight
- Rain Dance/Sunny Day
- Earthquake
Since Deoxys is banned from the Nintendo Tournament, Aero and Crobat are the faster taunters in the game. Aero gets foresight, which sort of nulls an Exploder + Ghost lead. The last 2 moves are filler and since Aero gets 2 weather moves, might as well set something up for your team.
As for EV's you would naturally want max speed and the rest is up to the user.
Edit: I've read through the topic and I'm surprised no one has mentioned gravity yet. It allows everyone to be hit by earthquake and doesn't it raise the accuracy of all moves? Time to bring out Choice Scarf Articuno!
I assume you mean Worry Seed. This is an interesting idea, but I think it's overkill. You're basically making your Jumpluff worthless after turn one with that Choice Scarf (unless you want to nullify one of you opponent's abilities), and I'm not sure you want to spend the time switching the Jumpluff out. You're better off relying on Insomnia, Vital Spirit, Lum Berry, and Chesto Berry.
Worry Seed doesn't work on a target that has Truant. Check it out in the Smogon MoveDex.
What does your Ludicolo need the speed for? Fake Out has priority and it's not going to beat other Fake Outs since rain won't have started yet. Protect doesn't need Speed. We've already established that Substitute is a really bad idea, and Speed only matters with Leech Seed if Ludicolo is KOed and the next Pokémon out can take advantage of it.
If you decide on an offense-based set like the one I described, then Ludicolo will need the speed. I think I'd rather have the extra recovery on a defensive Ludicolo.
I like that Taunt/Foresight Aerodactyl. I think I'd take Rock Slide over Earthquake. It's more powerful than Earthquake with STAB, doesn't hit your partner, and has a sick 30% flinch chance against each opponent. If you didn't need to set up sun or rain, you could put another attack in that slot (possibly Earthquake).I was thinking something of an Anti-Starter Aerodactly
Aerodactly @ ???
Pressure
Jolly
- Taunt
- Foresight
- Rain Dance/Sunny Day
- Earthquake
Since Deoxys is banned from the Nintendo Tournament, Aero and Crobat are the faster taunters in the game. Aero gets foresight, which sort of nulls an Exploder + Ghost lead. The last 2 moves are filler and since Aero gets 2 weather moves, might as well set something up for your team.
As for EV's you would naturally want max speed and the rest is up to the user.
Edit: I've read through the topic and I'm surprised no one has mentioned gravity yet. It allows everyone to be hit by earthquake and doesn't it raise the accuracy of all moves? Time to bring out Choice Scarf Articuno!
Gravity's a cool effect and can be used well in a Doubles environment. I assume that Articuno would be spamming Blizzard, since Sheer Cold's accuracy doesn't improve in Gravity.
Gay...
I guess it's getting replaced with whoever carries Thunder/Focus Blast/Fire Blast/Hydro Pump/Blizzard...Hmm Magmortar gets the first 3. Maybe a specs set.
Definitely. I've seen a good number of Hail teams on PBR with Abomasnow and Glaceon spamming Blizzard. Not a horrible strat, although I'm not sure I've ever lost to it unless one of my Pokémon froze.
Dude, even if Gravity did affect Sheer Cold, its accuracy would only be 50%. That's not exactly reliable. I think I'd stick with Blizzard anyway, especially if I expected to battle a lot of Dragon-types.
Guys, before you post any strategy, make sure it actually works. We have the movedex for a reason. If anyone continues to post things that assume wrong mechanics when the right mechanics are easily available on the site, I'll be considering hitting that "infract" button.
That's where I saw it also, though the strategy was applied in a trick room setting and was not based entirely around hail.
Simply use Zapdos over Magnezone
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Discharge
Hidden Power [Ice]
Roost
Thunder Wave/Protect/Metal Sound
And Why not use Garchomp, or Electivire over Flygon? Both are (or eventually with be) faster, and can hit harder. And since they will be faster, Roost will go second, Protecting you from Earthquake.
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Gyarados: @ Lum Berry
Protect
Dragon Dance
Earthquake/Return
Waterfall
Marowak: @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightening Rod
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Swagger
Rock Slide
Whenever they use a non-Discharge electric move, Marowak take the hit, and Swaggers Gyarados, while Gyarados uses Dragon Dance. Gyarados lures electric attacks, has Intimidate, and has Immunity to Marowak's Earthquake.
Rhyperior can do the same, but it will be killed easily with 4x weaknesses to Grass and Water, and the ever common EQ.
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Ubers:
Groudon: @ Scarf
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Stone Edge
Shadow Claw/Fire Punch
Ho-oh: @ Band/LOrb
Sacred Fire
Earthquake
Punishment
Return/Protect/Roost
Cherrim is nice, but Ho-oh works perfectly with Groudon, being both Immune to EQ, and getting a boost off its STAB Fire Attacks in the Sunlight. Groudon also covers what Ho-oh's Sacred Fire can't, Dragon Claw covers Fire Resistant Dragons, and EQ covers Rock/Fire types that are resistant to Fire attacks, not to mention Heatran.
In Return, Ho-oh hits hard without Groudon, as it pack's its own EQ, and Punishment for Ghost/Psychic/Rock/Fire Types (including Lati@s whom otherwise resist Sacred Fire). Groudon also semi-protects Ho-oh from Thunder by lowering its accuracy to 50%, and cuts its Water weakness in half, effectively nuetralizing it.
Scarf is because Groudon needs to hit threats hard and fast, and Band on Ho-oh is mainly because if it is slower then it can take advantage of Punishment.
In addition to starting out well, they make great switch-ins for eachother. Ho-oh's weaknesses to Thunder and Rock can be used to allow Groudon to safely switch in, while Groudon's Weaknesses to Grass (Solar Beam) and Ice allow Ho-oh to switch in very easily, not to mention Ho-oh is immune to EQs from opposing Groudons, and Ho-oh can also switch into other Fire attacks that may threat Groudon considering their 1.5x boost.
Speaking of fire attacks, Ho-oh, other than Fire Plate Arceus, is the only Uber immune to W-o-w, effectively allowing Ho-oh to switch in against Giratina's W-o-w. Additionally, since Giratina will then be forced to attack Ho-oh, Ho-oh can use super effective Punishment very effectively.
I was wondering if there was anyone here that would be willing to tutoring me for this Showdown Tournament. Since the Apprentice Program won't be starting for awhile ( I hear it'll be up after the tournament), I would appreciate anyone that would able to help me build a Double Battle team. thanks in advance
Man its even harder to configure teams now... with RSE i used to use Netabttle to configure, tweak, decide what's best, then attempt to create them on the game.
I used to have a RSE hydroelectric team that had a 93% win ratio after 100 battles 2v2 :), in DP the possibilities can lead to much creativity. There's almost too much to think about
2v2 is awesome, I don't understand why people just stick to the 1v1, 1v1 is tried and tested rigid and drawn out, 2v2 however theres much more to think about and allows for more creativity.
I used to have a RSE hydroelectric team that had a 93% win ratio after 100 battles 2v2 :), in DP the possibilities can lead to much creativity. There's almost too much to think about
2v2 is awesome, I don't understand why people just stick to the 1v1, 1v1 is tried and tested rigid and drawn out, 2v2 however theres much more to think about and allows for more creativity.
Explosion. Multi-targetting attacks. Prevalence of Protect. Obvious setup with a Starly in your opening line. FEAR is a stupid strategy, doesn't work, and most of the time is a moot point because of autolevelling.
Fine. Here is another one:
@ Life Orb
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake / Overheat
~ Overheat
LV.19
~ Follow Me
@ Life Orb
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake / Overheat
~ Overheat
~ Follow Me
Outrage is not always the best idea for double battles since you don't know where it's going, unless you've eliminated all but the pokemon that are susceptible to it. Even if the enemy targets and kills your Sentret and Rayquaza gets a Dragon Dance without taking damage, you will still only hit one out of two enemy pokemon for a full spent first turn while you will have lost one pokemon. For your Kyogre set, consider a pokemon like Ludicolo that benefits in the rain, can Fake Out threats to a fully powered Water Spout, and destroys pokemon that water hits for neutral with Grass Knot/Ice Beam.
Can some1 comment on any of my above sets?
Additionally here is a UU Tier combo since I did Ubers and OU:
Quagsire @ Leftovers
EQ
Surf
Stone Edge
Encore
Mantine: @ Leftovers
Hidden Power Flying
Ice Beam
Rain Dance/Toxic/Aqua Ring?
Surf
Surf + Water Absorb works to heal both pokemon, while Mantine is immune to EQ as well.
Rain Dance powers up Surf, or Toxic works well with Encore causing switches.
If Quagsire uses Surf while Mantine has Aqua Ring in effect, Mantine would heal 25% + 12.5% (Leftovers included) = 37% in 1 turn, very effective, and this allows Mantine to trully be a Special Wall.
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Ubers:
Wobbafett+ Darkrai
Wobbafett
Counter
Encore
Mirror Coat
Destiny Bond/Safeguard
Darkrai
Dark Void
Dark Pulse
Filler
Filler
Basically double Sleep, Nightmare ability hits both, they cannot switch b/c of Wobbafett, and they get swept by Darkrai.
This set appears to work together very well, chiefly you should consider HP Electric to handle other water types that take little damage from most of the attacks.
Ok I will, but I would miss HP Flying to deal with Grass types that 1hko Quagsire.
Ice beam simply wont be strong enough... Hmm, Maybe Toxic over Rain Dance/Aqua Ring?
I really see them as luring eachother's weaknesses out.
Quagsire would lure Grass types, which would let me use HP FLying to hit them on the switch, while Mantine would lure electric types out while my Quagsire could EQ on the switch.
Ice Beam works too I guess. =(
Ok, I will try Hp Electric+Surf+Toxic+Ice Beam
Try this:
Kyogre
Calm Mind
Rest
Thunder
Surf
Manaphy
SKill Swap
Hydro Pump
Heat Swap/Psych up
Grass Knot
Make Kyogre a ture Uber, and let it Hydration Rest.
Or:
Jirachi
Skill Swap
Heatran/Choice Scarf Solrock or Flygon
Lava Plume/Rock Slide
Double chance to burn (60%) and power up Jirachi's Hidden Power Fire/ Doubles chance to Flinch (60%) and gives Jirachi Levitate.
Ice beam simply wont be strong enough... Hmm, Maybe Toxic over Rain Dance/Aqua Ring?
I really see them as luring eachother's weaknesses out.
Quagsire would lure Grass types, which would let me use HP FLying to hit them on the switch, while Mantine would lure electric types out while my Quagsire could EQ on the switch.
Ice Beam works too I guess. =(
Ok, I will try Hp Electric+Surf+Toxic+Ice Beam
Try this:
Kyogre
Calm Mind
Rest
Thunder
Surf
Manaphy
SKill Swap
Hydro Pump
Heat Swap/Psych up
Grass Knot
Make Kyogre a ture Uber, and let it Hydration Rest.
Or:
Jirachi
Skill Swap
Heatran/Choice Scarf Solrock or Flygon
Lava Plume/Rock Slide
Double chance to burn (60%) and power up Jirachi's Hidden Power Fire/ Doubles chance to Flinch (60%) and gives Jirachi Levitate.